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| windsmurf:
--- Quote from: rstofer on May 25, 2019, 12:56:49 am ---...We need farm workers, no debate. But what we need is a guest worker program similar to the H1B that covers the farming seasons. What we don't need is the entire family getting free public housing, free medical care, free education and free everything else. If it was a few hundred, no big deal. But it's MILLIONS. ... I'm not going to do it here but, for giggles, I took 11 MILLION people and assumed how many are kids. Then I divided by class size and came up with how many extra schools, teachers, administrators and retirement accounts the taxpayers had to fund. Pretty interesting calculation. This subject never gets far in congress. --- End quote --- The problem is with those who hire illegal immigrants. If we started to lock up those who hire them, then the problem will disappear, since there wouldn't be any jobs for them here. As for your calculation on educating illegal immigrants, its up to those who hire illegals to withold taxes so they can contribute to the system. Those who hired illegals without withholding and paying their taxes need to be fined for all back taxes used to fund their education... in addition to incarceration. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: rstofer on May 25, 2019, 12:56:49 am ---We need farm workers, no debate. --- End quote --- Some US farmers might need them to stay in business, but the US doesn't need them. There's something screwed up with systemically having huge amounts of foreign workers who will never get citizenship ... whether they are there illegally or on some visa. |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: Marco on May 25, 2019, 04:28:54 am --- --- Quote from: rstofer on May 25, 2019, 12:56:49 am ---We need farm workers, no debate. --- End quote --- Some US farmers might need them to stay in business, but the US doesn't need them. There's something screwed up with systemically having huge amounts of foreign workers who will never get citizenship ... whether they are there illegally or on some visa. --- End quote --- Why do you say that? It is an opportunity to come here, make decent wages to send home with the only stipulation being that when the planting or picking season is over, you go back to your family. Nobody is forced to come, nobody is enslaved, if they want to work for the farms they have the opportunity. If they object to the Guest Worker program, fine, stay home. Somebody else will pick up the slack. The good news is that nobody has to hide from Immigration. The H2A visa program does exist but apparently nobody uses it. It was designed specifically for farmworkers but it seems to have problems since the worker is tied to the farmer who obtained the visa. Abuses are alleged but I wouldn't know anything about it. I don't necessarily doubt it. But I wonder if the 'undocumented' approach is any better. https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/advocacy-and-programs/guestworker-programs I can tell you with absolute certainty, farm work is hard and the people who do it earn every dime. I spent 3 days on a cattle feed lot working for enough money to pay off a speeding ticket. There was no way I could keep up with the regular workers. At the end of 3 days I was done. I did enjoy my time with the other workers and I respect them for their effort. It's really hard work! And feed lots stink! |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: rstofer on May 25, 2019, 04:46:38 am ---Why do you say that? --- End quote --- It's essentially apartheid. |
| technix:
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 25, 2019, 03:50:14 am ---The problem is with those who hire illegal immigrants. --- End quote --- Here is a burden of proof problem: how are you sure whoever you are going to hire is not an illegal immigrant, in face of all the privacy laws and potential forgery? Is there a central registration where employers can search for an applicant and find out his/her immigration status? |
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