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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.

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windsmurf:

--- Quote from: blueskull on May 25, 2019, 04:13:45 am ---
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 25, 2019, 03:50:14 am ---The problem is with those who hire illegal immigrants.  If we started to lock up those who hire them, then the problem will disappear, since there wouldn't be any jobs for them here.

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I know a Chinese restaurant owner, who has a friend who was also a Chinese restaurant owner. That guy hired a Mexican illegal worker, provided him with shelter and food, but then was raided by immigration service.

What he didn't know is the illegal immigrant has a long rap sheet, and he unknowingly accepted a guy with a few felonies on his head.

Still, he was charged for knowingly sheltering felonies, because illegal immigration is a felony. All other felonies that he was not aware of were also counted towards his sheltering.

Combined with other offenses raised around the illegal immigrant worker, such as OSHS violation, tax violation and food safety violation, he was punched hard.

He was sentenced 17 years, his son sentenced 6 years, and his wife sentenced 3 years, plus his $600k saving and his shop were forfeited.

And FYI, the family who ran the Chinese restaurant were naturalized for decades.

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I'm speculating here, but I'm sure he was easy pickings for some politician who wanted PR creds for "being tough on illegal immigration" while letting the large illegal employers (mostly in agriculture) that do the "proper lobbying" slide...

Speaking of lobbying, the biggest issue in our government is lobbying, which is nothing more than legalized bribery.  It really needs to be stopped, but neither D nor R want to give up the infusion of $.   https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/index.php






technix:

--- Quote from: apis on May 24, 2019, 09:30:44 pm ---I was referring to the US in this case. In a democracy the people need to be well informed and be able to have a good and honest public discussion, or else they will not be able to make a good choice during election (隔山买老牛). For a functioning democracy you need many more components than a free election. For example you need the rule of law, good education system, freedom to organise a new political party and free press/speech (and other things). I think that is why the Arab Spring failed in many countries, you can't simply introduce free elections over night and expect to have a functioning democracy.

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While US have good rule of law and freedom of speech, some other components are certainly missing or compromised. The two-party system is not going to change under the generally first-past-the-post voting system since people will vote tactically. As of education it is severely undermined by worsening underfunded public education, high quality education increasing in prices, and certain talking heads campaining against any form of systematic education.

I can see democracy backslipping from a mile away and the election in 2016 certainly shows it.

windsmurf:

--- Quote from: technix on May 25, 2019, 04:53:38 am ---
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 25, 2019, 03:50:14 am ---The problem is with those who hire illegal immigrants.

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Here is a burden of proof problem: how are you sure whoever you are going to hire is not an illegal immigrant, in face of all the privacy laws and potential forgery? Is there a central registration where employers can search for an applicant and find out his/her immigration status?

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An employer should be safe from prosecution if they did their due diligence in good faith.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/legal-pitfalls-hiring-undocumented-immigrants.html

What If You Didn’t Know Your Employee’s Papers Were No Good?
Employers are required to confirm the work authorization of every new hire at the time of hire, using Form I-9 for the purpose. You are not, however, expected to be an expert on the documents that establish work authorization.

In fact, an employer can be penalized for discrimination for checking documents too zealously or insisting on a particular document, such as a green card. The way the rules put it, you should accept documents from the I-9 lists that “reasonably appear on their face to be genuine and to relate to the person presenting them.”

technix:

--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 25, 2019, 04:55:56 am ---Speaking of lobbying, the biggest issue in our government is lobbying, which is nothing more than legalized bribery.  It really needs to be stopped, but neither D nor R want to give up the infusion of $.   https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/index.php

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You may want to look up an organization called Justice Democrats, who are politicians that sternly refuses any money from lobbying or PAC's backed by megacorporations. I am not aware of any Republican equivalent of this organization.

windsmurf:

--- Quote from: technix on May 25, 2019, 05:12:24 am ---
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 25, 2019, 04:55:56 am ---Speaking of lobbying, the biggest issue in our government is lobbying, which is nothing more than legalized bribery.  It really needs to be stopped, but neither D nor R want to give up the infusion of $.   https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/index.php

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You may want to look up an organization called Justice Democrats, who are politicians that sternly refuses any money from lobbying or PAC's backed by megacorporations. I am not aware of any Republican equivalent of this organization.

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Yes I've contributed to Ro Khanna, and I watch TYT fairly frequently  ;D

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