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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.

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windsmurf:

--- Quote from: rstofer on May 23, 2019, 01:04:08 am ---...As to advancing the country?  Well, just about every new invention on the planet starts in the US...

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I'm no fan of China, especially its current human rights record.   But I also dislike misinformation. So for the record...
https://www.quora.com/What-country-has-contributed-the-most-inventions

soldar:

--- Quote from: Echo88 on May 23, 2019, 07:10:59 am ---I hope this thread gets closed due to political stuff and blueskull leaves as fast as possible to China, so he can witness the evil US dictator from the greener side of the fence, where he continues to say "I dont need free speech, because i have nothing to say.".

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There is no need for personal attacks. You can make your point or disagree with the points others have made without needing to be rude to others here. Let's try to keep it civil. Please.

2N3055:

--- Quote from: Echo88 on May 23, 2019, 07:10:59 am ---I hope this thread gets closed due to political stuff and blueskull leaves as fast as possible to China, so he can witness the evil US dictator from the greener side of the fence, where he continues to say "I dont need free speech, because i have nothing to say.".

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Free speech doesn't matter when you are brainwashed to know only one truth.
USA is slipping into anti-democracy at breakneck speed, and while you might be able to say anything, you can't change anything. So end result is same as China..
Except Chinese realize they can't change the system so they don't even bother. In USA people naively think their (public) opinion shapes country's destiny. It does not, in many ways less than in China.

Also USA put dozens of people on the Moon 50 years ago.  Except they didn't.
USA paid for it but it was German and other scientists that spearheaded  the project. As well as atomic bomb. Aside Feynman, most of non immigrants on the project were management, military, security, etc.  It was literally carried on the shoulders of scientist that fled to USA from Nazis. As is most of the science in USA since, carried by immigrants, and Americans are mostly management. Not all and always, of course, but statistically significantly so.

People from USA are always confusing what is made by USA and what is owned by USA.
In normal circumstances, it is working fine. You let rest of the world create people that excel at science through first dozen of years of education, and then you pick smartest and brightest and offer them better pay and promise of bright future to leave their homes and come to USA.
Than you integrate them in academia and finish their education by virtue of advanced projects and money USA has and their poor countries didn't.
And that worked well for very long time.

Americans wants to be lawyers and stock traders, or reality show celebrities.. They don't like hard work learning advanced math if they are going to be paid less than people in sales and marketing. It's capitalism, see, it just bad business. Goal is to maximise profit. STEM is not it.

At his moment in USA, about 80% of graduate students in STEM related studies are not US citizens...
And USA is making it clear that they are not welcome to stay..

I'm not saying that they are not happy with how much are they paid.
I'm saying that many of them are starting to feel like those scientist that fled Europe in the 1930-es......

And then, on top of that, is that, back home, things got better, much better. So they go home, instead of staying where they are not welcome.

Will America collapse because of that? No. But it will seriously hamper its ability to stay competitive in this game.
And problem is that today USA is not on a forefront of many things.
Problem is that you cannot live on old fame. 50 years ago NASA put a man on the moon. Today, they would have problem doing what Chinese did.
USA capabilities degraded, and China made up for a technology gap. So did many other players.
It is not USA/USSR game anymore. There is China and India. Europe recovered from WWII and is not needing USA to meddle in their affairs.
Even NATO is questionable.
Is it a great alliance of free world to protect Europe from Red Menace, or is it an instrument of blackmail that Orange Menace is using to force his former partners to do his bidding, and blackmail them to buy USA weapons to fill somebody's pockets.?

So yeah, it's not black and white, or easy.

That is why globalization happened.

We need each other. We need for Russian Federation to play nice with Europe. We don't want WW3. We need for USA to obey international laws and not to bully other nations because they will nuke them otherwise. Because, if USA behaves that way, what is next? SEALs dressed as Mexican army will attack USA border post and than they invade Poland ?

soldar:
I am alarmed by the rise of nationalisms everywhere. Have we not learned anything from history?

Ignorant mobs are easily excited against imaginary enemies.  It is quite easy to inflame passions against internal minorities or against external imaginary threats. At first everything seems to go fine and leaders bask in glory. Then, predictably, things start turning south.

When I was a kid America was the voice of reason preaching stability while communist countries were preaching all the crazy things and trying to upset the apple cart. I never imagined I would see the day when China would be the balanced voice of reason and stability while America has taken leave of her senses and is the one rocking the boat and creating instability.

America lead the world not so much with military strength but with a moral standing which lead most free countries to side with her. Now that is gone and it is pretty much America alone facing the world. How anyone can think America can prevail is beyond me. If things continue down this path things cannot end well.

We would do well to follow policies of cooperation rather than confrontation.

windsmurf:

--- Quote from: soldar on May 23, 2019, 08:49:25 am ---...Ignorant mobs are easily excited against imaginary enemies.  It is quite easy to inflame passions against internal minorities or against external imaginary threats....

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Soon dictionaries will just put up a picture of Trump for the word "Demagogue", and everyone will understand the meaning of the word.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demagogue

Next up - war with Iran... a calculated move to boost up his approval ratings.  Starting a war always improve Presidential approval ratings, and he's counting on it.

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