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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.
JPortici:
--- Quote from: rstofer on May 25, 2019, 03:12:54 am ---The Euro is an example of a multi-national currency and it is a disaster for some of the countries. Germany holds the exchange rate for the Euro at a high level and Italy can't devalue it to make their products competitive. This problem gets worse year over year. Countries need to be able to set their own exchange rate (or allow the market to set it for them) if they are to be competitive. There are quite a few countries in the EU that would gladly scrap the Euro.
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Yeah no thanks. Despite what some politicians say we (working people) don't want € to go away. Us being able to devalue the money is the exact reason we are in the situation that we are in.. The fact that we haven't been able to catch up is NOT because of europe, but because we have been abusing a system that let our public debt become so massive that we can't ever repay it... except maybe in 40 years when all those who abused the system in the 80s-00s and are currently sucking at the state tits are dead. If anything, europe and euro came too late. i want Monti to come back. he is still the hero we need.
technix:
--- Quote from: kaz911 on May 27, 2019, 09:13:04 am ---I’m not taking any sides on the argument - i’m a realist. China is smart and thinks further ahead than most western countries are currently capable of. And that capacity for planning needs respect - But the western world needs to start to take action to survive.
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It is not whether the west that can make long term plans, it is whether the west can stick to a plan after it is made across political shifts. Take Obamacare for an example, the second Republicans took power they start to dismantle it. With this kind of political aggression in place, why bother with long term plans when they ain't gonna stick after an election?
--- Quote from: soldar on May 27, 2019, 09:33:18 am ---For a couple centuries western powers invaded China and imposed their unequal treaties.
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And yet Trump want another one, on top of the bad aftertaste of the ones of last two centuries.
--- Quote from: soldar on May 27, 2019, 09:33:18 am ---The "Taiwan problem" is entirely of American creation. If it were not for America Taiwan today would be a province of China.
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Going back to the topic of this thread, US is whining and pushing and kicking about a problem it manufactured itself.
apis:
--- Quote from: technix on May 27, 2019, 10:54:00 am ---the west
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"The west" is a not a good term. It's like saying "the east" when talking about China. Similarly, talking about Europe is like talking about America, Asia or Africa, it's huge places composed of many very different countries.
technix:
--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 11:48:54 am ---
--- Quote from: technix on May 27, 2019, 10:54:00 am ---the west
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"The west" is a not a good term. It's like saying "the east" when talking about China. Similarly, talking about Europe is like talking about America, Asia or Africa, it's huge places composed of many very different countries.
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I have to admit it not being a good term - it is correct only within the Eurasian continent - but at least it is a lot softer than terms like "countries under white rule" (too racist.) And since people agree on what is geopolitical "west" and what is geopolitical "east" (along with its subdivisions "near east," "middle east" and "far east") and those terms are generally regarded as neutral universally, the terms somehow stuck.
And since we are having the superpower and one of the potential superpowers locked in a conflict, most other countries becomes somewhat irrelevant unless they are organized into something of power at a similar scale. (Yes I do mean that at a conflict of this scale it is more likely than not that only US, EU as a whole, Russia and China matter. Hey that is the five permanent seats of the UN Security Council - US, Russia, China, and EU represented by the seats of UK and France.)
soldar:
--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 11:48:54 am --- "The west" is a not a good term. It's like saying "the east" when talking about China. Similarly, talking about Europe is like talking about America, Asia or Africa, it's huge places composed of many very different countries.
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I disagree. It is a very useful term when discussing European cultures (and their descendants) with respect to China. The fact that they are different in some ways is not relevant when we are discussing precisely the aspects they share.
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