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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.

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BravoV:

--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 28, 2019, 12:37:00 am ---
--- Quote from: soldar on May 27, 2019, 09:33:18 am ---...The Kuomingtang was defeated in the mainland and retreated to Taiwan with all the loot they could take...

The "Taiwan problem" is entirely of American creation. If it were not for America Taiwan today would be a province of China.

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What loot did they take?

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The Taiwan founding father, looted a lot of Chinese treasures and brought them to the island, especially the high priced gold/gems/high priced antiques.

If you watch closely, rich (I mean old rich since WWII) American families, usually carry in their family's collection stolen Chinese antiques or high value artifacts, those were the payment for the weapon and support for the Taiwanese military in the old days when they're fighting mainland, there is no such thing as free lunch.  :P

References and even old videos documentations can be read and watched how they struggled and moved lots of those treasures in boxes through hard ship like mountains/jungles and then loaded in many big American ships when they retreated to the island.

Its like you American watching one of the state fought to liberate them self for independence, and in the process looted all gold from Fort Knox, and then used it to pay "the foreigner" to fight your own people.  >:D

bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: blueskull on May 27, 2019, 05:19:11 am ---I would quit discussion with you, because I've already expressed whatever I needed to express, and I've already earned enough Chinese social credit points for that.
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Here. Let's give China a group hug. Come on people, let's group-hug China.




--- Quote from: technix on May 27, 2019, 05:22:31 am ---
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 27, 2019, 05:09:43 am ---Other Asian nations have been equally successful as China is and they're less strident.

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Simple as: they have a government the West can control, and specifically for Japan and ROK US have military bases on their soil. Now only China and DPRK is resisting, so you want to destabilize it so you can install some form of pro-Western government.
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Is North Korea successful?

China is resisting against what? The money the whole world is pouring into her borders?


--- Quote ---Just admit that you are preaching neo-colonialism.
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I just show the facts. They speak for themselves.

technix:

--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---I know very little about what happens inside the CCP, because it doesn't allow independent observers or journalists. But it seemed like the CCP had some sort of internal democratic process when electing leaders after Mao, is that the meritocratic process you refer to? China has experienced amazing economic growth in recent years and that is good of course, so whatever China has been doing can't be that bad.

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That internal process is what implements the meritocratic system.


--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---There is room for improvement everywhere, in our democratic systems as well, for sure, but going back to authoritarian dictatorship would be throwing out centuries of hard earned progress.

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As I said China never really had a period of history that implemented a democracy, so there is nothing to go back to really.


--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---That is interesting. Most of Europe is also old farmland except for Scandinavia which is too far north. China is very big though, I would imagine all kinds of peoples and regions have existed there. And culture isn't static, things and people change. I'm not so sure people here and there are so different.

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What I am referring to is the roots of the culture, for example as reflected by the writing system. An original farming civilization never uses a phonetic writing system, an alphabet or an abjad, instead a huge amount of logographic or ideographic symbols would be used, for example ancient Egyption hieroglyphs, for example Chinese characters. Since currently all across Europe some form of alphabet is used, whoever used to farm there are now long been assimilated into a nomadic culture and gave up their own.


--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---It's wrong to be a hypocrite of course, but just ignoring everything else that's going on is making it too easy for oneself.

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At least don't assert force, use persuasion instead and know your time to back off.


--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 27, 2019, 11:36:13 pm ---But one thing the article gets wrong... there's no such thing as corporate greed.  There's only greed of persons who run corporations (and greed of investors with profit as the only motive). 

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This is just being pedantic. Corporates operates exactly as who running them want them to be, so if those people are greedy it shows up as corporate greed.


--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 27, 2019, 11:36:13 pm ---Corporations in Germany are now run with input from the supervisory board which include employee representatives.   Employees are no longer just "labor" to be exploited.  This system seems to be working well for them. 

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This is something American megacorporations are trying their hardest not to get into.


--- Quote from: BravoV on May 28, 2019, 01:30:05 am ---A simple battery power source, "good & strong" battery, like in those olde day battery powered flash light than runs without any feedback at all, and runs until starting to dimm, and then initiate the the battery replacement process. Of course, this is the critical part, it seems like the method/process of choosing a good & strong "battery" (read:leader) in China is already quite matured, stable and proven, as we've never seen a bloody power struggle during the transition period, or country great divisions because of that battery replacement process it self.

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It took Chinese 2 millennia to improve and fix that process.


--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 28, 2019, 02:25:35 am ---China is resisting against what? The money the whole world is pouring into her borders?

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Resisting against US interfering its internal process.


--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 28, 2019, 02:25:35 am ---I just show the facts. They speak for themselves.

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And I am showing a fact too as a counterpoint. That speaks volumes too.

windsmurf:

--- Quote from: technix on May 28, 2019, 04:39:30 am ---
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 27, 2019, 11:36:13 pm ---But one thing the article gets wrong... there's no such thing as corporate greed.  There's only greed of persons who run corporations (and greed of investors with profit as the only motive). 

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This is just being pedantic. Corporates operates exactly as who running them want them to be, so if those people are greedy it shows up as corporate greed.

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I think there's an important distinction there to understand.  "Corporate greed" soounds like something that needs to be managed through corporate governance or corporate law.  Its not.  The root of the problem starts from the whole premise that personal "greed is good" 

soldar:

--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 28, 2019, 12:37:00 am --- What loot did they take?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_retreat_to_Taiwan#Smuggling_of_treasures_from_the_mainland


--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 28, 2019, 12:37:00 am --- Why is Taiwan a problem?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Taiwan

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