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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.
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soldar:

--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: soldar on May 27, 2019, 09:17:17 pm ---And America, which never stops preaching western style democracy has been busy for decades overthrowing popularly elected governments and installing dictatorships in their place. And nobody seems to even recognize the contradiction.

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Yes that is a travesty.

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Yup. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
apis:

--- Quote from: soldar on May 28, 2019, 10:15:31 am ---
--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: soldar on May 27, 2019, 09:17:17 pm ---And America, which never stops preaching western style democracy has been busy for decades overthrowing popularly elected governments and installing dictatorships in their place. And nobody seems to even recognize the contradiction.

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Yes that is a travesty.

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Yup. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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I was mostly thinking of the overthrowing democratically elected governments part.
soldar:

--- Quote from: apis on May 28, 2019, 02:05:14 pm --- I was mostly thinking of the overthrowing democratically elected governments part.
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Exactly. The phrase from Hamlet is used to indicate doubt concerning someone's sincerity or to suggest hypocrisy on their part. Like preaching democracy while doing the very opposite.

apis:

--- Quote from: BravoV on May 28, 2019, 01:30:05 am ---Of course, this is the critical part, it seems like the method/process of choosing a good & strong "battery" (read:leader) in China is already quite matured, stable and proven, as we've never seen a bloody power struggle during the transition period, or country great divisions because of that battery replacement process it self.
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I'm not so sure there is less bloody power struggle in China than in democracies. Maybe China will be an exception, but look around in the world, the countries with democracy are usually better to live in. In countries with dictators people often suffer, the dictator only cares about making himself and his family rich. There are exceptions, but I think on average democracy is better because when we get bad leaders like Trump, they will not last for more than a few years. After four years the world will not have to worry about Trump again. The US will be weaker and the next president will have to try and repair the damage, but that might be for the best. It's not good when one country gets too much power, there needs to be some balance.


--- Quote from: technix on May 28, 2019, 04:39:30 am ---
--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---That is interesting. Most of Europe is also old farmland except for Scandinavia which is too far north. China is very big though, I would imagine all kinds of peoples and regions have existed there. And culture isn't static, things and people change. I'm not so sure people here and there are so different.

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What I am referring to is the roots of the culture, for example as reflected by the writing system. An original farming civilization never uses a phonetic writing system, an alphabet or an abjad, instead a huge amount of logographic or ideographic symbols would be used, for example ancient Egyption hieroglyphs, for example Chinese characters. Since currently all across Europe some form of alphabet is used, whoever used to farm there are now long been assimilated into a nomadic culture and gave up their own.

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I've never heard that before. Our phonetic alphabet can be traced back to the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. It's likely that such a phonetic alphabet then spread to other cultures since it could be used to encode their native languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing#Early_Semitic_alphabets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_alphabet#Consonantal_alphabets

The oldest farms have been found in the area that is now Syria, and farming then spread west to Europe, and I assume east to south Asia and China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29213892


--- Quote from: technix on May 28, 2019, 04:39:30 am ---
--- Quote from: apis on May 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm ---It's wrong to be a hypocrite of course, but just ignoring everything else that's going on is making it too easy for oneself.

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At least don't assert force, use persuasion instead and know your time to back off.

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Sometimes it is right to intervene, like against IS or if a country is planing genocide. But interventions should follow international law and be decided democratically by the international community through the United Nations. It's not a perfect system either, but it's the best the world has.
soldar:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/03/politics/chinese-lasers-us-military-pilots-africa/index.html
Chinese lasers injure US military pilots in Africa, Pentagon says (2018)

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/06/22/asia-pacific/u-s-military-pilots-east-china-sea-targeted-laser-attacks/
U.S. military pilots in East China Sea targeted in laser attacks -  Jun 22, 2018

U.S. military pilots flying aircraft over the East China Sea have been targeted by blinding laser attacks more than 20 times over the last 10 months, U.S. officials told The Japan Times, after a number of similar attacks in East Africa that the Pentagon has said Chinese military personnel were behind.

The U.S. Indo-Pacific Command said the attacks in the waterway, where the Chinese military has bolstered its operations, were first reported last September. The incidents were believed to have come from a range of sources, “both ashore and from fishing vessels,” spokeswoman Maj. Cassandra Gesecki said.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/28/australian-navy-pilots-struck-by-lasers-in-south-china-sea/23735725/
Australian navy pilots struck by lasers in South China Sea - May 28th 2019
A witness says Australian navy helicopter pilots were hit by lasers while exercising in the South China Sea, forcing them to land as a precaution.

Scholar Euan Graham, who was onboard the Royal Australian Navy flagship HMAS Canberra on a voyage from Vietnam to Singapore, said in an account of the incident that the lasers had been pointed from fishing vessels while the Canberra was being trailed by a Chinese warship.

China maintains a robust maritime militia in the South China Sea composed of fishing vessels equipped to carry out missions just short of combat.
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