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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.
technix:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 28, 2019, 08:45:45 pm ---As far as I understand, the US took measures that are under their jurisdiction. They can, as any other country can, change their import taxes and ban or allow foreign companies to operate in their territory.
How can these measures be an interference in China's internal process?
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From what I can see, the document US handed to China as the draft trade deal includes terms like:
* termination of Made in China 2025
* termination of Belt and Road Initiative
* termination of small enterprise stimulation package
Those are internal process of China.
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 28, 2019, 09:57:47 pm ---Anyway, China didn't seem unhappy when the US won the WWII. As I understand, if it weren't for them, China would be speaking Japanese by now.
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Well China won just about as much as America did. China is one of the five permanent seats in UN Security Council and have the same power as US, with the same veto power.
Actually speaking of it, China damn well should be more of a winner than US on the Pacific theatre if you consider the fact that the first component of WWII that started and the last component of WWII that ended is the 2nd Sino-Japanese War, fought between Sep. 18, 1931 and Sep. 2, 1945, all within Chinese soil. Also shouldn't it be China trapping most of the Japanese troops, Hawaii would have changed hands. American contribution on European theatre certainly pulled the balance though.
--- Quote from: soldar on May 29, 2019, 12:17:43 am ---Younger people are quite ignorant of history but there is much blame to go around. For one the older generations that spoiled their children and did not instill a sense of responsibility. But mainly the leaders who gain their leadership by making enemies of outsiders. Those are the ones who bear most of the responsibility. This trade war is going to be very damaging for the entire world and it is the responsibility of a leader who convinced many Americans they could go against the world and win. I have no doubt that history will see this moment as the turning point in the decline of America and the rise of China. America has lost its place as "leader of the free world". Let us hope things don't get out of hand because most empires won't let go without trying to hang on by war.
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A good amount of people are ignorant enough to be sold Mein Kampf ideas, and there happen to be a leader that is son of a KKK member. That is going to be very dangerous.
windsmurf:
--- Quote from: soldar on May 28, 2019, 08:46:35 am ---
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 28, 2019, 12:37:00 am --- Why is Taiwan a problem?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Taiwan
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I say give them their independence. I'd actually like California to become independent of the U.S. ... a "Calexit" of sorts. Washington and Oregon are welcome to join ;D
soldar:
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 29, 2019, 07:04:54 am ---I say give them their independence.
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You can say whatever you want but there is only one say that counts and that is China's. The chances of Taiwan becoming independent are zero and getting smaller and smaller every day.
--- Quote from: blueskull on May 29, 2019, 07:40:28 am --- This is the difference between China and US. In China, the general idea is the government owns the country, not the people. Therefore, every territory of the country is property of the government, not property of the people living on the land.
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I don't think that is a good way of seeing it. The concept you are aiming for is "sovereignty". It is not a matter of "property" but of sovereignty.
China is a unitary state where all sovereignty is vested in the central government. The USA is a federal state where sovereignty is shared by the several states and the Federal Government each in their own spheres.
Constitutions or scholars can say that ultimately power derives from the people but this is just a nice declaration without any effect. In America all sovereignty is vested in the state and federal governments and any changes to that would have to be approved by them (or we are talking civil war). In a state all power and authority derives from the state and no town, city, county, group or individual has any legal authority except as delegated by the state.
The people of a part of the UK are not free to declare their independence from the UK (except by force if they can pull it off). The people of Hong Kong were not free to declare the independence of Hong Kong. Hong Kong was under UK sovereignty and retroceded to China's sovereignty. The people of HK had zero say in the matter because sovereignty resides in the UK as a whole, not in a group who lives in HK.
Tomorrow the UK could cede Gibraltar to Spain, or give it independence or declare it a military post and move everybody out of there and the people of Gibraltar could protest but they have no special rights. Gibraltar belongs to the UK and not to the people of Gibraltar.
technix:
--- Quote from: soldar on May 29, 2019, 10:08:22 am ---
--- Quote from: windsmurf on May 29, 2019, 07:04:54 am ---I say give them their independence.
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You can say whatever you want but there is only one say that counts and that is China's. The chances of Taiwan becoming independent are zero and getting smaller and smaller every day.
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The "one country two systems" mechanism currently applied in HK and Macau was initially designed for Taiwan actually. Under the original 1C2S rules Taiwan would be de jure a provincial-level SAR of China, but most of the Mainland laws, including the bulk of the Constitution, will be suspended and inapplicable, creating a de facto separate jurisdiction. Taiwan is not allowed its own diplomacy or weapons of mass destruction, but it is allowed its own defensive military forces, currency, customs, immigration policy, border control, and any and all domestic laws.
apis:
--- Quote from: soldar on May 29, 2019, 10:08:22 am ---Constitutions or scholars can say that ultimately power derives from the people but this is just a nice declaration without any effect.
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It is not just a nice declaration. The power is derived from the people because the people elect representatives who make up the government.
--- Quote from: soldar on May 29, 2019, 10:08:22 am ---In a state all power and authority derives from the state and no town, city, county, group or individual has any legal authority except as delegated by the state.
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It's the government that controls the territory ultimately through military force. You can't really privately own land in the sense a lot of people think (sovereignty), you can only really lease it from the state that will grant you certain rights/monopolies in your designated area. But it's the state that ultimately decides what rights follow with "owning" land. There's lots of limits to what you can and can't do on "your own land" in the US as well.
--- Quote from: technix on May 29, 2019, 04:45:24 am ---A good amount of people are ignorant enough to be sold Mein Kampf ideas, and there happen to be a leader that is son of a KKK member. That is going to be very dangerous.
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It's not just the US; nationalism is growing in Europe, Russia and China as well. The notion that we are fundamentally different peoples is a silly nationalistic idea that will only lead to trouble for example.
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