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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.
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Marco:
Taiwan is to China what China is to the US, refuses to budge diplomatically, a bit too well defended militarily and painfull to hurt economically. Though hardly impossible to hurt economically in both cases.

Economics being the route of choice for the country which wants to be global hegemon and the one who just wants to be it locally for now.

PS. Taiwan militarily controls its land and pays no one for its use, that is independent in my book.
technix:

--- Quote from: Marco on May 29, 2019, 01:38:44 pm ---Taiwan is to China what China is to the US, refuses to budge diplomatically, a bit too well defended militarily and painfull to hurt economically. Though hardly impossible to hurt economically in both cases.

Economics being the route of choice for the country which wants to be global hegemon and the one who just wants to be it locally for now.

PS. Taiwan militarily controls its land and pays no one for its use, that is independent in my book.

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Under the original Taiwan-specific one-country two-systems scheme it is still up to Taiwan to defend themselves using their own military, and mainland has no right to tax it. (OTOH Taiwan can ask mainland for financial support, and within a reasonable amount Beijing is obliged to provide it as transfer payment.)

HK and Macau never had their own armed forces beyond a police force while UK/Portugal had a garrison there, so the rule has to be modified to allow a PLA garrison taking over the European one. Otherwise the same rule applies - Beijing collect no tax from HK/Macau but those two cities can ask Beijing for money.


--- Quote from: apis on May 29, 2019, 01:04:40 pm ---It's not just the US; nationalism is growing in Europe, Russia and China as well. The notion that we are fundamentally different peoples is a silly nationalistic idea that will only lead to trouble for example.

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Why is the memories of WWII fading fast from people's memories?
soldar:

--- Quote from: apis on May 29, 2019, 01:04:40 pm --- It is not just a nice declaration. The power is derived from the people because the people elect representatives who make up the government.
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It is just a nice declaration with no legal consequence whatsoever. In the UK it is the Parliament who is sovereign, not the people. In Spain the constitution says the sovereignty resides in "the people" but it has no legal effect whatsoever. That and 3.50 euros will get you a cup of coffee.

This is an empty discussion like whether human rights are granted by the state or they are integral to the person and the state only recognizes them. It is totally academic. Many constitutions do not say the people are sovereign. Of those who do say it we would have to see to what extent it is true because I would not be surprised to see something like that in North Korea. And even in nominally "democratic" states the individual has the rights the state grants him.  You can say the people have the right to vote. Well, yes, they have the right to vote in the form and manner prescribed by the state. And if after voting it turns out the majority of people voted for H but the rules of the state say T will prevail, then the people can go sovereignty themselves all they want. If we the people want universal healthcare and powerful lobbies don't then who wins? Where can the people go to claim their sovereignty and get what they want? Starbucks? 
OwO:
🍿 :popcorn:🍿
technix:

--- Quote from: soldar on May 29, 2019, 02:07:45 pm ---It is just a nice declaration with no legal consequence whatsoever. In the UK it is the Parliament who is sovereign, not the people. In Spain the constitution says the sovereignty resides in "the people" but it has no legal effect whatsoever. That and 3.50 euros will get you a cup of coffee.

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I would say that should there be no lobbying or other backdoor process going on, and should the general populace be well informed, the concept of using a democratic process to implement people's sovereignty is a sound idea, but IRL we have lobbyists, backdoor transactions, and forces intentionally misinforming people. Now people think they have a choice and a voice, but more often than not the choice is made for them by some forces with their ulterior agenda, and the people is just following the script.


--- Quote from: OwO on May 29, 2019, 02:25:38 pm ---🍿 :popcorn:🍿

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Good attitude, if it does not affect you.
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