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| technix:
--- Quote from: Simon on June 04, 2019, 08:29:20 pm ---Well the system is supposed to or logically should be based on those that are born intelligent get on well and make money. They can buy themselves a decent standard af living and they won't have to spend silly hours working so they have time to nuture their offspring who in turn if intelligent will do well and so there is natural selection. But then society came along and it's oh so inconvenient when the offspring of the rich are not so clever after all but we sweep that under the carpet and give them qualifications from prestigious institutions that are more about bringing them up into their class than teaching them. And then oh dear they realize that with all of this family fortune they can make it into politics, I mean they have had the upbringning for public life the fact that they are too stupid to get basic systems engineering (our society run correctly) does not matter they just seek to further their own interests and of people like them. --- End quote --- That is one of the clever thing from the old Chinese technocratic/meritocratic system, which was built on top of standardized tests. One must achieve a passing grade on the standardized test to attain higher social status. Be it the child of the rich or the child of the poor, regardless whether you had expensive tutors or was self taught, the test is one and the same to everyone and the grades are directly compared. People from a lower social status but high intelligence will ace the test and propelled up the social ladder, while a stupid kid from a prestige family will fail at the test and get kicked out of the club. --- Quote from: apis on June 05, 2019, 01:05:03 pm ---People are unfortunately people, there's no point in denying human nature. However society shouldn't reward stupid behaviour like it does now. We basically reward those who are greedy and ruthless the most, while a doctor who sets up a clinic for the poor is punished. What that means for society in the long term can't be good. --- End quote --- When the greedy is in power and the voice from the poor is being shut out, laws rewarding good behavior don't stick. |
| Echo88:
So rich peoples kids cant get better grades due to bribing the necessary persons in China? |
| Simon:
--- Quote from: apis on June 05, 2019, 01:05:03 pm --- --- Quote from: Simon on June 04, 2019, 08:29:20 pm ---Well the system is supposed to or logically should be based on those that are born intelligent get on well and make money. They can buy themselves a decent standard af living and they won't have to spend silly hours working so they have time to nuture their offspring who in turn if intelligent will do well and so there is natural selection. But then society came along and it's oh so inconvenient when the offspring of the rich are not so clever after all but we sweep that under the carpet and give them qualifications from prestigious institutions that are more about bringing them up into their class than teaching them. And then oh dear they realize that with all of this family fortune they can make it into politics, I mean they have had the upbringning for public life the fact that they are too stupid to get basic systems engineering (our society run correctly) does not matter they just seek to further their own interests and of people like them. --- End quote --- I agree but I don't think was supposed to be one thing or another, it just is, there is no intention behind it. Sort of like, rocks fall down toward the ground, not because they are supposed to, it just happens to be that way. People who got a head start (not necessarily because they were more intelligent, maybe they where more ruthless, or maybe just dumb luck, etc.) set up the system so that they would benefit and to make it easier for their offspring. And then that repeated, until we ended up with what we have now. I.e. a system that only benefits the richest and their families. It's sort of the natural evolution of things, but there's nothing saying it couldn't or shouldn't be different. --- End quote --- What i mean is that logically for prosperity and a lack of idiots in power. But yea we are where we are because everything runs on money. |
| technix:
--- Quote from: Echo88 on June 05, 2019, 03:49:00 pm ---So rich peoples kids cant get better grades due to bribing the necessary persons in China? --- End quote --- At least as of now it is no less than life imprisonment/death sentence and surrender of all personal possessions for the bribing parent, and up to 7 years sentence, cancellation of all grades and degrees, and lifelong ban on taking any other government administered standardized tests of any way shape or form for the kid, even if the kid have no involvement in it other than taking the test should the parent bribe. China has some of the heaviest anti-bribery (and anti-drug) law in the world. Those escalates to death sentences very fast. --- Quote from: Simon on June 05, 2019, 04:34:34 pm ---What i mean is that logically for prosperity and a lack of idiots in power. But yea we are where we are because everything runs on money. --- End quote --- If a country have just a few idiots none of them would get power. But when a country is majority idiots or slaves to idiots, intelligent people might struggle to get power if a particular idiot is acting charming to other idiots. Money comes in play when it is about manufacturing idiots, as the greedy rich want to keep the poor as idiotic as possible, and keep the naturally intelligent as enslaved as possible, so those group of people won't try to get money out of the riches' hands. Now we have years of ineffective or even countereffetive education that filled the country up with idiots, and the naturally gifted is neck-deep in student loans and thus under control of the idiots, we have a charming-acting idiot in power. |
| Echo88:
@technix: I thought when wanted to play nice here, but apparently you have no problem telling us about the meritocratic system, kings and philosophers, while critizising the US-education-system and its inhabitants. Why dont you abstain from criticizm in the same way that you dont criticize your own state, just that in this case you would do it cause your actually nice and not because your, actual not so meritocratic, leaders would punish you. Otherwise we can talk more frankly about your meritocratic system and its historic roots. |
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