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| apis:
--- Quote from: soldar on June 06, 2019, 07:32:57 pm ---You don't understand that other countries are different and have different cultures? --- End quote --- That doesn't mean that anything goes. Capital punishment was used everywhere, it's not special for China. More an more countries in the world have realised it's cruel medieval thinking and have stopped. --- Quote from: soldar on June 06, 2019, 07:32:57 pm ---And, Human Rights as defined by who? --- End quote --- "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is a historic document that was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly at its 183rd session on 10 December 1948 as Resolution 217 at the Palais de Chaillot in Paris, France. Of the then 58 members of the United Nations, 48 voted in favor, none against, eight abstained, and two did not vote." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights --- Quote from: soldar on June 06, 2019, 07:32:57 pm ---America has the death penalty and tortures and kills. Why do we preach so much about Human Rights to China and not at all to America? --- End quote --- No America doesn't, of all the countries in both north and south America it is only the USA that executes it's citizens. It's bad whether it happens in the US or in China and "we" preach to both. Abolishing the death penalty in China would show they are ahead of the US and they could be a role model for the rest of East Asia. --- Quote from: soldar on June 06, 2019, 07:32:57 pm ---Do you understand other people and other countries have different opinions? And that they are entitled to their own opinions? --- End quote --- I don't believe in culture relativism, it's complete bs imo and it seems like China agrees with me because in Xinjiang they are putting thousands of Uyghurs into "re-education" camps. :( Anyway, there are problems everywhere, I don't want to singel out any one country, but since it was brought up it was worth mentioning imo. |
| OwO:
I can't agree with the death penalty no matter how heinous the crime. However I can agree with life in prison for company executives that engage in corrupt practices like colluding with state government or anti-competitive practices ;) |
| Simon:
Life is not life in the UK either. |
| soldar:
--- Quote from: apis on June 06, 2019, 08:16:07 pm --- --- Quote from: soldar on June 06, 2019, 07:32:57 pm ---America has the death penalty and tortures and kills. Why do we preach so much about Human Rights to China and not at all to America? --- End quote --- No America doesn't, of all the countries in both north and south America it is only the USA that executes it's citizens. --- End quote --- Yeah, no, I have no interest in playing silly word games. You understood perfectly well what I meant. Besides, it is perfectly good and proper to call the country "America" and you know it full well. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/six-ways-america-is-like-a-third-world-country-100466/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/11/07/america-is-officially-the-only-nation-on-earth-to-reject-the-paris-agreement/#55c0dd7a4dc4 https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/oscar_wilde_125650 West Side Story: I Like to live in America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhSKk-cvblc?t=1 |
| maginnovision:
--- Quote from: soldar on June 07, 2019, 06:31:09 am --- --- Quote from: apis on June 06, 2019, 08:16:07 pm --- --- Quote from: soldar on June 06, 2019, 07:32:57 pm ---America has the death penalty and tortures and kills. Why do we preach so much about Human Rights to China and not at all to America? --- End quote --- No America doesn't, of all the countries in both north and south America it is only the USA that executes it's citizens. --- End quote --- Yeah, no, I have no interest in playing silly word games. You understood perfectly well what I meant. Besides, it is perfectly good and proper to call the country "America" and you know it full well. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/six-ways-america-is-like-a-third-world-country-100466/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/11/07/america-is-officially-the-only-nation-on-earth-to-reject-the-paris-agreement/#55c0dd7a4dc4 https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/oscar_wilde_125650 West Side Story: I Like to live in America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhSKk-cvblc?t=1 --- End quote --- Boy is that Rolling Stone article misleading in SO many ways... I wonder what else that writer has written about... 5 ways life in America would be better if everyone voted: Ok, I disagree with him on most of this but it's his opinion... Or is it? Six studies that show everything Republicans believe is wrong: Well he's making a lot of assumptions about a lot of people and it's all about people he doesn't like. It's got a lot of other issues too, maybe you should read it. The quoted article which again... Read that carefully and think about the many ways he words things. At least some of it is true though, nobody thinks America is perfect. Marx was right: Five surprising ways Karl Marx predicted 2014: Ok, he's trying pretty hard here to prop up Karl Marx as a prophet which is odd. At least he recognizes near the end how many things he got wrong. So pretty biased writing overall and you know what else is odd? Not one of the articles says opinion, they're all written as if they're news. Now sure, with garbage headlines like those you assume it's just some joe flapping his jaw, I still think it'd be a good idea that the more gullible people not get confused. He also insists things like the racial makeup of death row inmates isn't a problem with those people on death row, it's a problem with the system. I guess the system made them murderers, rapists, and torturers? If you think what this guy is writing is about facts you're wrong. It's only about what he perceives to be justice. You really need to take note of the peoples biases(especially when they're like yours) when you read too many of these style articles because you will be tricked into thinking it's all the truth as it's known by any reasonable objective human being. When they have sources click through and check them all, if you don't you really shouldn't take these things to heart. As for exiting the Paris agreement... I could be wrong but isn't the whole thing non-binding anyway? Tell us what you're gonna do and then update us on what you did every 5 years and what your plans are going forward, right? Let's see how that's going in 2025 when everyone reports and then see if it's worth continuing. Trump won't be President and the US can reconsider, I honestly don't care either way. That article also mentions that --- Quote ---The Trump Administration's goal is to convince the rest of the world that the "solution" to climate change is burning coal. --- End quote --- . That's funny, I don't see where it says this is an opinion piece either. I'm not going to get into other articles he's written like: "Earthquake Strikes Japan The Day President Trump Arrives" where he talks about Trump, and earthquakes. Like bread and butter they just go together. :palm: Then you've got a quote and some pop culture, very family friendly. I personally don't care about the death penalty, it mostly ends up being a bunch of private jail time while they appeal and appeal. You know every time someone is executed due to the death penalty it's in the news because there are only about 25 a year? I realize for people that are strictly against the death penalty any number is too high but considering the crime in our country that's not too bad. What are the numbers for China though? I don't think anybody but the Chinese government know that, but I'm not a researcher. Soldar, do you happen to have that number? Maybe citizens get more data than us simpletons outside of China. Quick edit: While the USA is the only country in the Americas that has executed anyone recently, many countries still have a death penalty option. Why they don't use it, I'm not sure. |
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