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| I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense. |
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| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: rstofer on May 23, 2019, 05:16:27 pm --- --- Quote from: 2N3055 on May 23, 2019, 04:22:57 pm ---Taxpayers don't own crap. Taxpayers pay a due (tax) for services rendered to them by state. Public services are rendered to public, valued by utility to public good. So if it serves public to let genius Chinese girl/boy study in USA because they will invent new processor, or reactor or whatever, and that will enhance public good of USA citizens, than yeah, they will give them seat instead of some USA born kid. Sorry, it is how it works. --- End quote --- Not really! Taxpayers are voters and when they get pissed off, things change. Do you suppose that if the issue of foreign students plugging up our universities became a popular issue that it wouldn't change overnight? Foreign students can't vote and legislators take care of voters first and foremost. Their reelection depends on it. If you want to see an example of 'change', you don't need to look far! Those pesky voters... --- End quote --- Voters are simply repeating what they are being served by propaganda. Only minority of people think rationally, and most of others are not qualified to make important decisions about welfare of their community. They mean well, but make wrong conclusions /decisions based on partial or wrong data. They can be easily manipulated. Don't make a mistake to think other people are rational if you are.. |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on May 23, 2019, 05:42:49 pm ---Voters are simply repeating what they are being served by propaganda. Only minority of people think rationally, and most of others are not qualified to make important decisions about welfare of their community. They mean well, but make wrong conclusions /decisions based on partial or wrong data. They can be easily manipulated. Don't make a mistake to think other people are rational if you are.. --- End quote --- Voters ALWAYS vote in their own self-interest. I have never in my life voted for a Democrat and I've been voting for more than 50 years - higher taxes and increased welfare spending are not in my own self-interest. I think data is over-rated. People vote with their heart and gut, not their analytical brain. That's both the beauty and difficulty of allowing people to vote on how they will be governed. We don't really have an elite group making unrestricted decisions about how things are going to go. If the voters don't like something, they can change it. Assuming enough voters agree. Yes, mainstream media (the propaganda machine) influences elections. It's a problem. Despite the efforts of the media, Trump STILL got elected. People are smarter than talking news anchors think. |
| MT:
--- Quote from: blueskull on May 23, 2019, 07:09:14 am ---Why should Trump care? Trump represents the basket of deplorable, not the elites. Those international elite business people got benefits from setting up shops IN China, not shipping TO China. Trump's blue collar supporters only care about their OWN jobs, not how much money the capitalists in this country make abroad. --- End quote --- Weeeell, yet he surrounds himselfs with neoconservativeliberals and other globalist elite crocks. It dont bother you China is a Technocracy land? --- Quote from: rstofer on May 23, 2019, 06:00:59 pm ---Despite the efforts of the media, Trump STILL got elected. People are smarter than talking news anchors think. --- End quote --- Trump didnt come to power by the people but by the Electoral College, US citizens barely makes a recommendation on whom to become president,the deplorabels are already throw under the bus without knowing it. People may disslike Trump for all kind of right issues but on the geopolitical theater he's one of few counterweights against the Globalist Technocrats. Trump became the monkey wrench thrown into Technocrats totalitarian machinery against his own will. The lefti, progressives even Marxist next to be eaten alive by the Technocrats, yet they have no idea they are on the list, they think they are part of their inner circle. |
| magic:
--- Quote from: technix on May 22, 2019, 07:37:14 pm ---So the reason we have a trade war at hand is because of the US-China trade deficit: China is importing way less things overall from US than vice versa. Meanwhile inside China I am feeling the pressure of US trade embargo, from FPGA's to computer parts. This give me the feeling that the thole US-China trade deficit is a manufactured situation by US in the first hand, hence the title "it starts from a pile of nonsense." --- End quote --- I don't think it's that simple. US trade deficit with China in 2018 was $420B, that's an order of magnitude more than the entire 2018 revenue of companies like Intel, nVidia or Analog. I don't know how many sales to China were blocked by US embargo, but I doubt they would suffice to plug the deficit. We also need to mind that many of those Chinese products incorporating American components would be sold back to America, cancelling the original US to China sale and adding even more to the China to US flow. Or they could be employed to produce goods/services sold to America. It also isn't anything specific to Trump, the deficit has been large and continuously growing for many years. Relevant US census data. I think Americans screwed themselves up many years ago, when they drank the "knowledge economy" and "outsourcing" kool-aid. I guess it's nice and convenient when you can design things for others to manufacture and have them made by poor people working for peanuts, but inevitably those people learn how to design stuff themselves and you end up with dependency on their manufacturing and nothing to sell back to them, because all you have for sale is ideas and they are starting to have ideas of their own and don't give rat's ass about yours anymore. This happened to simple consumer electronics which can now be bought for $1 at AliExpress, fully designed and produced in China, it is happening to smartphones, increasingly happening to ICs and will be happening to pretty much everything. And there is another problem which is domestic low-skill workforce. Now matter how much some people wish otherwise, it exists. The idea that everybody will "learn to code" is nuts IMO. What actually happens is that millions of people are either losing jobs, or getting lower wages or simply know that their jobs will disappear anytime soon. Something has to be done with them. --- Quote from: 2N3055 on May 23, 2019, 04:22:57 pm ---Taxpayers don't own crap. Taxpayers pay a due (tax) for services rendered to them by state. Public services are rendered to public, valued by utility to public good. So if it serves public to let genius Chinese girl/boy study in USA because they will invent new processor, or reactor or whatever, and that will enhance public good of USA citizens, than yeah, they will give them seat instead of some USA born kid. --- End quote --- So you want me to pay for educating a foreigner, not spending that money on educating myself, getting a shitty job and not even being able to afford the processors the foreigner designed for my own good? I think you should run against Trump, people would totally vote for that ;) --- Quote from: 2N3055 on May 23, 2019, 04:22:57 pm ---Many moons ago I lived in USA for 4 years. On H1B. Met many nice people, made friends. Had great time. Good times. But I was not underpaid. --- End quote --- Google "Indian H1B sweatshops". It's not about you. --- Quote from: 2N3055 on May 23, 2019, 04:22:57 pm ---But now, even before they start considering where to go, USA is now sending the message over all available media that these dirty foreigners are not welcomed and that even if they come, they will be treated as scum. --- End quote --- As far as I know, H1B isn't getting slashed and I think Trump even said something recently about making the path to full citizenship easier. OTOH, if you plan on going as a student, overstaying your visa and getting a black market job, yep, that's another story. |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: MT on May 23, 2019, 06:03:58 pm ---Trump didnt come to power by the people but by the Electoral College, US citizens barely makes a recommendation on whom to become president,the deplorabels are already throw under the bus without knowing it. --- End quote --- The genius of the Electoral College is almost always underestimated. Back in the day (during the Constitutional Convention of 1787), the framers were worried about an imbalance in population disenfranchising smaller states. Something had to evolve that would prevent the large population centers from running the country. So, they gave each state 2 senators and at least 1 representative and progressively more representatives based on population. The number of electors each state has is the sum of the senators plus representatives. To be sure, California's 55 electors still outweighs the sum of a very large number of states but not as badly as if it were based on popular votes. A whole lot of small states can overcome a very few large states. If that weren't the case, only California, Texas, Florida and New York would matter. Nobody else has to even bother to vote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#/media/File:ElectoralCollege2016.svg As you can see from the map, a whole lot of states disagreed with the liberal population centers. Of course, Texas and Florida helped. Don't count on Texas or Florida voting 'red' any more. In general people don't understand the genius of the system so they want to change it. Some states are now deciding that they will throw all their electors to the party that wins the national popular vote. This is a huge mistake! Suppose everybody in California voted for candidate 'A' but candidate 'B' won the popular vote. Every vote in California would be meaningless because all of the electors would be required to vote for candidate 'B' even though nobody in California wanted them. Yes, California has adopted this approach for the next election. Nothing really changes because California will always vote for the Democratic candidate but at least the voters had some chance of making an impact. Now there is no point in wasting a perfectly good postage stamp to mail in a ballot. The electors are going to be given to the winner of the popular vote. Even if they don't win California. Won't it be funny when this backfires and the electors have to be given to Trump! Biden wins the state and the electors go to Trump! The irony... Several other states are doing the same thing. They don't like the Electoral College and realize they can't change the Constitution so they are doing an end-run around the requirements. Nothing in the Constitution compels the electors to vote for any particular candidate regardless of the results in the state. It's only by convention that they vote for the winner in the state, not by law. But they need cover if they are going to vote against the wishes of the voters so this new scheme provides that cover. Allowing the popular votes of other states to determine the outcome of your state just seems wrong. |
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