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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.

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sourcecharge:
China is simply waiting for another US politican that will sell out the US again.

There is a trade deficit, and you think that China will be just fine.  Well that is one opinion.  Another opinion is that China's economy is tanking. 

The trade war isn't just about the trade deficit, but mainly about intellectual property.  Anyone that does business in china knows how this goes.  If you need to have someone in a China manufacturing plant understand how to test something with new test equipment, China requires the specs and blueprints to this test equipment that is not even made by your company.  This is completely unacceptable, and you should know that this is why China has become technilogically advanced.  They walked away from the latest trade deal because they want to keep stealling technology.

The long term understanding is that sooner or later, companies will figure out that no matter how much propaganda, no matter how much money they pump into politicians that want to give away the farm, the tarifs are not going away.  These companies will move back to the US, and more jobs will be created in the US.  On top of it all, as technology increases in the US, China will fall behind and become less competetive.

This is a long term trade war that China can not win.  We all know it, and no matter how much propaganda you throw at us, we (true americans) are with those that are for our interests first.

MAGA

technix:
Dang now we even have people with those red caps showing up here.

sourcecharge:

--- Quote from: blueskull on May 24, 2019, 07:37:07 am ---
--- Quote from: sourcecharge on May 24, 2019, 07:20:18 am ---If you need to have someone in a China manufacturing plant understand how to test something with new test equipment, China requires the specs and blueprints to this test equipment that is not even made by your company.

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What can be stolen this way is the whole design, which is basically where clones are from.

We have advanced enough that cloning is no longer our business.

Nowadays, China has a lot of well trained engineer. We don't need anything to be made in China to steal the IP.

In fact, I've shown a few times on beginner and repair sectors that I can reverse engineer something just by looking at some pictures or even marketing material.

Cloning is no longer making money as everyone can do it. Reverse engineer it, learn how it works, and engineer from ground up is the new trend in China.

We don't care if it's made in China or not. We don't even need to have the thing physically on hand.

As long as there's a teardown, even with chip markings sanded off, we can reverse engineer it.

So God bless America.

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How are those engines coming along with those F22 knockoffs?


--- Quote from: technix on May 24, 2019, 07:42:44 am ---Dang now we even have people with those red caps showing up here.

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We have alway been here, most don't want to give you the time of day let alone the opinion that you so obviously want to change.

SparkyFX:
The term "trade war" is... a joke in itself, an extreme platitude. The "our own population is the one that pays for our newly introduced tariffs and our own companies will simply raise their price because foreign competition + tariffs allows them to do so" did not go very well through the slogan department.

Because when you import, not the sender pays the tariffs, you do - from your money and a local company will do the profit maximization scheme anyway - as all good capitalists do, right? If they were selling imported goods, they put any tariff on top of the sales price anyway, if they were manufacturing local the market price for an item their competitor needs to pay tariffs for just went up and they follow suit.

So instead of creating jobs, it simply reduces spending behavior (less tax income) or just means your already taxed income is taxed twice by the government if you really have to buy.

Of course the government can put this money somewhere else... mainly into debt, but surely not into jobs.
Governments can not create jobs (with digital information processing there is even less jobs in an administration than before) - and a subsidized job can not be a viable long term plan or has to be very important. Well... unless you´re into the "starting wars", "military-industrial complex" or "industrial espionage" type of discussions.

Btw. maximizing tax and redistributing it is commonly understood as socialist method of running a government.
I see no reason why republicans cheer for that in republican conventions, nor why they cheer for a "war", while being at the short end of the stick (and need to resort to this kind of wording, redefinition or outright lying).

windsmurf:

--- Quote from: SparkyFX on May 24, 2019, 07:57:37 am ---...
So instead of creating jobs, it simply reduces spending behavior (less tax income) or just means your already taxed income is taxed twice by the government if you really have to buy.
...
Btw. maximizing tax and redistributing it is commonly understood as socialist method of running a government.
...

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Triple-taxed, after State and local sales taxes are paid.

Germany is Democratic Socialist isn't it?   The U.S. may be headed that way as well. 

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