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I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense.
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sourcecharge:

--- Quote from: technix on May 24, 2019, 12:54:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Marco on May 24, 2019, 12:02:18 pm ---That's negotiable ...

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If US think it have the right to negotiate over human rights in China, China can reciprocate with negotiations over gun rights, abortion rights, overseas military bases or Medicare-for-All too. Do you think US will accept that kind of conditions? If not, human rights in China is equally nonnegotiable.

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Do your really believe that?  China locks away MILLIONS of mulsums in the western providence into concentration camps.

They used to kill babies  because the family had more than 1 child.

Now they are using complete descrimination using a social scoring system that is required for all China, that literally takes away everything you have if you don't think, talk, act, move, go, converse, be friends with, eat, drink, poop, educate, work, and vote exactly the way the communist party wants you to..

Do you really believe that gun rights, abortion rights, national defence, or health care really is anywhere close to your countries complete lack of common sense?

Do you think the nazis could have used that same logic?  nope.

Just out of curiosity, what's your seseme score?
Marco:

--- Quote from: technix on May 24, 2019, 12:54:12 pm ---If US think it have the right to negotiate over human rights in China
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Might makes right.

--- Quote ---China can reciprocate with negotiations over gun rights, abortion rights
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The US is not some two bit neighbour they can bully in territorial "negotiations".

The US still is the world's bully ... and as poorly as they have handled that position, I still consider their ability to bully the world preferable to the alternative. The US really should protect its strategically important industries, such as steel and semiconductor manufacturing/design etc etc.
technix:

--- Quote from: sourcecharge on May 24, 2019, 01:10:44 pm ---China locks away MILLIONS of mulsums in the western providence into concentration camps.

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US ripped thousands of families apart, ripped the kids away from their parents at the border, and placed kids into concentration camps.


--- Quote from: sourcecharge on May 24, 2019, 01:10:44 pm ---They used to kill babies  because the family had more than 1 child.

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US want to force women into giving birth even after an oops moment, regardless of their health, economy background or psychological impact of such pregnancies.


--- Quote from: sourcecharge on May 24, 2019, 01:10:44 pm ---Now they are using complete destrimination using a social scoring system that is required for all China, that literally takes away everything you have if you don't think, talk, act, move, go, converse, eat, drink, poop, educate, work, and vote exactly the way the communist party wants you to..

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And in US there are private, for-profit companies doing the same, requiring you to "think, talk, act, move, go, converse, eat, drink, poop, educate, work, and vote exactly the way" the megacorporations want you to. Speaking of, such for-profit companies just got hacked.


--- Quote from: sourcecharge on May 24, 2019, 01:10:44 pm ---Do you really believe that gun rights, abortion rights, national defence, or health care really is anywhere close to your countries complete lack of common sense?

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At least I don't have to worry having a bullet in my body when walking on the street, or be financially broke from catching a cold. Better be well and alive than dead and broke.


--- Quote from: sourcecharge on May 24, 2019, 01:10:44 pm ---Just out of curiosity, what's your seseme score?

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750+.

Speaking of, do you mind fixing up your English before hitting the Post button? English is not my first language yet I at least don't post stuff laced with spelling errors.
Bud:
i do not think anyone on the other side of the pond from China is concerned about human rights, that topic is just used as as a convenient justification for all sort of goals.
technix:

--- Quote from: Marco on May 24, 2019, 01:20:58 pm ---The US still is the world's bully ... and as poorly as they have handled that position, I still consider their ability to bully the world preferable to the alternative. The US really should protect its strategically important industries, such as steel and semiconductor manufacturing/design etc etc.

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What might the alternative be? China is not going to start a war, take your land or rob your people on a whim.


--- Quote from: Bud on May 24, 2019, 01:27:43 pm ---i do not think anyone on the other side of the pond from China is concerned about human rights, that topic is just used as as a convenient justification for all sort of goals.

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For Chinese the basic form of human rights is to be alive and be healthy. Maybe China has a single governing party, you might as well consider it nonpartisan since there are so many ways to positions of power legitimately from within the system.
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