I Smell Bullshit Overunity

[EEVblog]

Sounds like 

http://www.jouleboxpower.com/how-it-works/

[sibeen]

Jaysus you're a skeptic, Dave. This thing has with patented serial and parallel wiring FFS. It says so right on the box.

[sibeen]

Oh, and I missed the best bit, it has a typical power output of 525,600 kWh per year.

Figures...you just can't argue with them.

Dimensional accuracy, not so much

[beanflying]

"High pressure manufactured wind"

They eat onions and insert pipes ....... 

[jonovid]

will it levitate  will have Perpetual motion  or is it Perpetual BS 

[abraxa]

I like their FAQ:

You are violating the Laws of Thermodynamics and the Conservation of Energy.

No we do not violate either law but actually use those laws to our favor. We are not a closed system so the laws do not apply. According to the Conservation of Energy, “energy cannot be created or destroyed”. We reuse the energy that is usually destroyed in the form of heat loss. The manufacturing of electricity is not the same as energy. Additionally, because of rotational energy we use much less energy to manufacture the electricity than if the system was used to turn on and off.

I'd say that anyone smart enough to ask this question will also be smart enough to not believe their manufactured response.

[IanB]

it has a typical power output of 525,600 kWh per year

Let's see. 525 600 kWh x 3.6 MJ/kWh = 1 892 160 MJ

Number of seconds in a year = 365.25 * 24 * 3600 = 31 557 600 s

Average power output = 1 892 160 MJ / 31 557 600 s = 0.059959 MW = 60 kW

[brucehoult]

"The JouleBox® is a hybrid electricity generator developed by EcoGen Energy that produce clean energy 24/7/365"

Er .. shouldn't that be "24/365" or "24/7/52" or something?

(or "24/365.2425" or "24/7/52.1775")

Flash web site.

[IanB]

Average power output = 60 kW

At a typically quoted 10 m²/kW that means you would need about 600 m² of solar panels. That seems like quite a large area, more than an average roof I'd say.

Except you don't get 24 h of sunlight in a day 

Better multiply that by 4 or something...so 2400 m² ? 

[IanMacdonald]

[sibeen]

The further you dig down on their website the better it gets.

"No impact on weather patterns".

You really can't fault that.

[mikeselectricstuff]

"zero impact to the environment" - apart form manufacturing and transport, obvs...

"The JouleBox® is designed to run continuously and only turned off once per year for scheduled maintenance, regardless if there is any sunlight for the solar panels" 

"Our system solution for connecting the units together was designed by our associate that is a Senior Member, IEEE
    IEEE Power Systems Relaying Committee (PSRC), Main Committee
    IEEE PSRC Rotating Machinery Protection Subcommittee, Chair Emeritus
    IEEE PSRC Rotating Machinery Protection Subcommittee, Committee Member"
Free energy scam rulebook : Find someone with some credibility to have a vague association with it - tick.

"Requires only 4 solar panels." .. of unspecified size.
Free energy scam rulebook : Add some uncertainty that failure can be blamed on - not enough sun...

"Real-time satellite monitoring with GPS." 

"Have any questions?+1 (800) 832-1418" - go Dave - I double-dare you. Record it , obviously

From https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150421005389/en/ECO-GEN-Live-Revolutionary-JouleBox%c2%ae-Energy-System

ECO-GEN Energy welcomes all visitors to its facility in Van Nuys, California and to our manufacturing plant in Paramount, CA to witness the fourth generation of renewable energy generation and will make available to all visitors full comprehensive documentation and other supporting materials that prove the capability of this revolutionary new power plant technology.

Anybody local ?

[EEVblog]

"Have any questions?+1 (800) 832-1418" - go Dave - I double-dare you. Record it , obviously

Illegal in this country.

[mikeselectricstuff]

"Have any questions?+1 (800) 832-1418" - go Dave - I double-dare you. Record it , obviously

Illegal in this country.

Get David2 to listen in & transcribe it

[drussell]

"Have any questions?+1 (800) 832-1418" - go Dave - I double-dare you. Record it , obviously

Illegal in this country.

Even if you tell them you'd like to record the conversation and they consent?

[StillTrying]

If I search on the Tel. number.
www.vivsource.com
www.viv.green
Chamil Hettiarachchi

It might be just a test/example site for the other they try to sell ?

[MadTux]

What, no Indiescamscam or Fraudstarter links!?!
How do they think they will get rich? So much effort for creating bullshit website and no links where potential fools (they are everywhere) can waste their money. They're doing it wrong

[mikeselectricstuff]

Unusual to be offering it as a larger-scale indusrtial thing, but maybe looking at an investor scam ?

[donotdespisethesnake]

Clearly BS, a classic over-unity/free energy type scam. A battery powered motor-generator supposedly recharges the battery and also produces "excess energy".

The explanation here : http://www.hybridelectricsystems.com/the-economic-case-for-renewable-ener1

This invention is possible because of its completely new electric motor design that uses several techniques to increase mechanical advantage without requiring more power to do so; that is, more horsepower on the shaft without more watts. These proprietary motors use < 200 watts per horsepower rather than the 746 watts used by conventional motors. (See below for more details.)

The Hybrid Electric Generator works because of the revolutionary design of its proprietary DC motors. These motors are actually powered by a series of permanent magnets around the motor armature and then manipulating the magnetic fields to maintain rotation.

So basically, they have a special "over-unity" motor using magnet woo. Very similar to the Orbo scam.

At best, the system provides a small solar installation with a battery backup, and a very inefficient DC inverter.

[Canis Dirus Leidy]

By the way. There is a DIY variant for hobbyists:

Was published 30-35 years ago in the "Izobretatel' i ratsionalizator" ("Inventor and rationalizer") magazine.

[suicidaleggroll]

The 3 – 40 HP motors use <200 watts per horsepower

A horsepower is a unit of power equal to 745.7 watts.  So their magical motors use less than 200 watts of input per 745 watts of output?  I need to get me some of those.

[StillTrying]

Solar Panels are used to qualify for Incentives. Solar Panels can be replaced with natural Wind Turbines if wind incentives are preferred. Neither are needed for exports that do not have government incentives.

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It generates horse poower by using magic.

[drussell]

Solar Panels are used to qualify for Incentives. Solar Panels can be replaced with natural Wind Turbines if wind incentives are preferred. Neither are needed for exports that do not have government incentives.

Oh, my...  I'd never even considered that!

Just stick a couple of solar panels on top of whatever kind of hooey you're trying to peddle and apply for GREEN ENERGY grants and rebates!!

Of course! 

It generates horse poower by using magic.

Poower, indeed! 

[mikeselectricstuff]

Solar Panels are used to qualify for Incentives. Solar Panels can be replaced with natural Wind Turbines if wind incentives are preferred. Neither are needed for exports that do not have government incentives.

Solar power + bullshit  = subsidised bullshit...

[Cyberdragon]

*gets glassy eyed*

so...many...cheap motors...to EOL...

EMERGENCY...bullshit detected ...MUST DESTROY!