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Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« on: January 30, 2021, 11:14:48 am »
For a few years I observed, that my connection to aliexpress does not reach china marketing monster itself, but getting 

14.|-- ae4.sentinel-ewr2.netarch.akamai.com                   0.0%    10   32.9  59.8  21.8 324.0  93.0
 15.|-- a23-10-91-241.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com     0.0%    10  144.5  72.6  20.5 157.9  62.0

as end point of communication.
Have no idea what akamai is it, and how price policy would be modified by unknown proxy-mafia.
Same issue apply to:
  768  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.aliexpress.com > a_ali.txt
  769  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.amazon.ca > a_amazon.txt
  770  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.arrow.com > a_arrow.txt
  771  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.digikey.ca > a_digikey.txt
  772  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.ebay.ca > a_ebay.txt
  773  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.mouser.ca > a_mouser.txt

So, the question is, how do you know that actually you are getting electronics components from authorize dealer like Mouser or Digikey?   
Is it country specific reality (Canada in this case) or world-wide scale scam?
 
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2021, 11:18:15 am »
So whats wrong with that? Even this forum I think uses some cloud for fast providing of cached content.
 
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2021, 11:44:05 am »
Have no idea what akamai is it

https://www.akamai.com/

Am I really on EEVBlog?

Code: [Select]
C:\Users\john>tracert eevblog.com

Tracing route to eevblog.com [192.154.109.3]
over a maximum of 30 hops:


 12    65 ms    66 ms    66 ms  webnx-inc.10gigabitethernet1-1-9.switch1.slc1.he.net [64.71.130.42]
 13    68 ms    68 ms    67 ms  104-250-156-90.static.gorillaservers.com [104.250.156.90]
 14    70 ms    69 ms    67 ms  192-154-109-3.static.gorillaservers.com [192.154.109.3]
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2021, 12:38:05 pm »
You know that it makes zero sense for a businesses selling electronic components to specialize on information technology architecture?

It's obvious such services are outsourced.

ISPs also outsource services.

A quick googling would reveal what Akamai Technologies Inc. does.
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2021, 04:32:31 pm »
You know that it makes zero sense for a businesses selling electronic components to specialize on information technology architecture?

It's obvious such services are outsourced.

ISPs also outsource services.

A quick googling would reveal what Akamai Technologies Inc. does.
I'm too lazy to google. I want a print notice on the mouser / digikey / arrow web site about third party involvement into businesses. And their legal responsibility.
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2021, 04:46:26 pm »
I'm too lazy to google. I want a print notice on the mouser / digikey / arrow web site about third party involvement into businesses. And their legal responsibility.

You want a disclosure notice informing you of the details of how the internet works?
A 3.5 digit 4.5 digit 5 digit 5.5 digit 6.5 digit 7.5 digit DMM is good enough for most people.
 
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2021, 05:15:12 pm »
I'm too lazy to google. I want a print notice on the mouser / digikey / arrow web site about third party involvement into businesses. And their legal responsibility.

You want a disclosure notice informing you of the details of how the internet works?
BS. it's not about internet. There is another name - NGINX reverse proxy . Google it
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2021, 05:28:13 pm »
Don't buy from them then. I'm sure they won't mind.
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2021, 05:28:49 pm »
For a few years I observed, that my connection to aliexpress does not reach china marketing monster itself, but getting 

14.|-- ae4.sentinel-ewr2.netarch.akamai.com                   0.0%    10   32.9  59.8  21.8 324.0  93.0
 15.|-- a23-10-91-241.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com     0.0%    10  144.5  72.6  20.5 157.9  62.0

as end point of communication.
Have no idea what akamai is it, and how price policy would be modified by unknown proxy-mafia.
Same issue apply to:
  768  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.aliexpress.com > a_ali.txt
  769  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.amazon.ca > a_amazon.txt
  770  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.arrow.com > a_arrow.txt
  771  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.digikey.ca > a_digikey.txt
  772  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.ebay.ca > a_ebay.txt
  773  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.mouser.ca > a_mouser.txt

So, the question is, how do you know that actually you are getting electronics components from authorize dealer like Mouser or Digikey?   
Is it country specific reality (Canada in this case) or world-wide scale scam?
Its better to do analysis on subject you know.
Internet infrastructure complex thing, especially CDN offloading, DDoS-protection and etc, and making any conclusions just on mtr/traceroute will sound like 5G scaremongering at best.
mtr alone reliably can help only to troubleshoot SOME ipv4 connectivity issues and might help with some routing/packetloss issues. Other analysis is way more complex.
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2021, 05:32:46 pm »
So, the question is, how do you know that actually you are getting electronics components from authorize dealer like Mouser or Digikey?   

Go to the SEC website, look up their filings, found out who the registered agent is, call them, get the official customer support phone number (hey, the one on the website could be a scam) and phone them up to confirm your order.

Also, check to see where your shipment arrives from. I doubt a scammer is going to deliberately send all their fake Mouser stuff from Texas and lie to the shipping agent about who they are so the label says Mouser. And certainly not upgrade you to overnight shipping for free.

Lordy, anyone know a trustworthy tinfoil milliner?
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2021, 06:34:12 pm »
For a few years I observed, that my connection to aliexpress does not reach china marketing monster itself, but getting 

14.|-- ae4.sentinel-ewr2.netarch.akamai.com                   0.0%    10   32.9  59.8  21.8 324.0  93.0
 15.|-- a23-10-91-241.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com     0.0%    10  144.5  72.6  20.5 157.9  62.0

as end point of communication.
Have no idea what akamai is it, and how price policy would be modified by unknown proxy-mafia.
Same issue apply to:
  768  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.aliexpress.com > a_ali.txt
  769  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.amazon.ca > a_amazon.txt
  770  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.arrow.com > a_arrow.txt
  771  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.digikey.ca > a_digikey.txt
  772  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.ebay.ca > a_ebay.txt
  773  mtr --report-wide --report-cycles 10 www.mouser.ca > a_mouser.txt

So, the question is, how do you know that actually you are getting electronics components from authorize dealer like Mouser or Digikey?   
Is it country specific reality (Canada in this case) or world-wide scale scam?
Its better to do analysis on subject you know.
Internet infrastructure complex thing, especially CDN offloading, DDoS-protection and etc, and making any conclusions just on mtr/traceroute will sound like 5G scaremongering at best.
mtr alone reliably can help only to troubleshoot SOME ipv4 connectivity issues and might help with some routing/packetloss issues. Other analysis is way more complex.
Good to know. Would you mind to run mtr or trace from your side, see if you have direct connection? W/o telling all this bla-la-la. I was expecting someone does this routing probe w/o me asking. But the best response I've got is no human logic in the thread.
 
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2021, 06:41:09 pm »
Mouser

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 11    22 ms    23 ms    29 ms  po110.bs-b.sech-lga.netarch.akamai.com [23.57.97.245]
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13    27 ms    23 ms    30 ms  ae121.access-a.sech-lga.netarch.akamai.com [23.57.97.251]
 14    23 ms    27 ms    29 ms  93.191.172.146

Digikey

Code: [Select]
 14    56 ms    53 ms    54 ms  cr82.mpsmn.ip.att.net [12.122.153.65]
 15    50 ms    61 ms    56 ms  12.122.162.165
 16    59 ms    61 ms    57 ms  12.87.125.94
 17     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 18    58 ms    63 ms    63 ms  204.221.76.76

Walmart

Code: [Select]
 10    32 ms    32 ms    35 ms  ae-15-210.pr0.lax10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.9.5]
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12    68 ms    73 ms    68 ms  ae18.cs2.lga5.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.25.58]
 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 14    71 ms    83 ms    72 ms  ae5.cs2.den5.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.216]
 15    79 ms    73 ms    76 ms  ae4.mpr2.den1.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.24.85]
 16     *        *        *     Request timed out.

zayo.com: "Zayo provides mission-critical bandwidth to the world’s most impactful companies, fueling the innovations that are transforming our society."
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2021, 06:55:43 pm »
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So, the question is, how do you know that actually you are getting electronics components from authorize dealer like Mouser or Digikey?   

And what do you think HTTPS and SSL certificate is for?
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2021, 08:11:40 pm »
Good to know. Would you mind to run mtr or trace from your side, see if you have direct connection? W/o telling all this bla-la-la. I was expecting someone does this routing probe w/o me asking. But the best response I've got is no human logic in the thread.
I'm network engineer and using mtr and similar tools daily, and know perfectly well how it all works. And how CDN works.

1)At moment you got a soldering iron in your hands, you have no idea what it is, using it as a hammer, refusing to learn, and demanding me to do same. Lol for that.
For example, this soldering iron has a cool wire that you can plug into an outlet.
In order to get traceroute results from different locations, you can use such a tool as looking glass, and stop wasting  people time with illiterate conclusions.

2)Your conclusions sound the same silly if you looked to purchased arduino, saw the Atmel logo on the MCU and started shouting that this is not an Arduino. And then you turn it over and saw FT232 and were generally horrified to write it on forum and ask others to look to this scary manuscripts on arduinos, if they got original arduino ICs.

3)Stop your "bla-bla", as you wrote above, if you dont want to become forum laughing stock.
Stop using soldering iron as a hammer. Read books first, how to use it and when to use it.
 
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2021, 08:35:05 pm »
And what do you think HTTPS and SSL certificate is for?
Even HTTPS certificates might be tricky. You need to make sure there is no additional dash, or some similar, but other language letters.
And in very rare cases rogue CA might be a problem, like this very recent one: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-another-misbehaving-ca-from-chrome/
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2021, 09:08:11 pm »
And in very rare cases rogue CA might be a problem, like this very recent one: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-another-misbehaving-ca-from-chrome/
It's not like it's rogue. Just incompetent.
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2021, 09:26:46 pm »
And in very rare cases rogue CA might be a problem, like this very recent one: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-another-misbehaving-ca-from-chrome/
It's not like it's rogue. Just incompetent.
This particular one - mostly yes, except their suspicious deals with StartCom.
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2021, 10:30:10 pm »
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I want a print notice on the mouser / digikey / arrow web site about third party involvement into businesses.

Would you like a big notice on EEVBlog that in using EEVBlog you are using servers owned by Gorilla Servers?

What about on every site that uses AWS that you are using Amazon services and hardware and Amazon could access your data?

What about on every site that uses CloudFlare that your data is being passed through CloudFlare's proxy?

Maybe every site you visit you should be presented long list of all the hardware and service operators that your bits are passing through.  I'm sure that'd be totally useful.

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2021, 11:57:23 pm »
Just about any commercial site you go to on the internet your browser will send data back and forth with multiple other sites without you ever knowing. Set up a browser with NoScript and uBlock Origin and have a  look. A site like Newegg is actually not too bad, Amazon is even better. But if you go to any "old media" sites, such as newspapers, radio or TV stations, prepare to be traumatized.


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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2021, 12:22:51 am »
Mouser

Code: [Select]
 11    22 ms    23 ms    29 ms  po110.bs-b.sech-lga.netarch.akamai.com [23.57.97.245]
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13    27 ms    23 ms    30 ms  ae121.access-a.sech-lga.netarch.akamai.com [23.57.97.251]
 14    23 ms    27 ms    29 ms  93.191.172.146

Digikey

Code: [Select]
 14    56 ms    53 ms    54 ms  cr82.mpsmn.ip.att.net [12.122.153.65]
 15    50 ms    61 ms    56 ms  12.122.162.165
 16    59 ms    61 ms    57 ms  12.87.125.94
 17     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 18    58 ms    63 ms    63 ms  204.221.76.76

Walmart

Code: [Select]
 10    32 ms    32 ms    35 ms  ae-15-210.pr0.lax10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.9.5]
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12    68 ms    73 ms    68 ms  ae18.cs2.lga5.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.25.58]
 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 14    71 ms    83 ms    72 ms  ae5.cs2.den5.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.216]
 15    79 ms    73 ms    76 ms  ae4.mpr2.den1.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.24.85]
 16     *        *        *     Request timed out.

zayo.com: "Zayo provides mission-critical bandwidth to the world’s most impactful companies, fueling the innovations that are transforming our society."
Thanks, I see digikey 204.221.76.76 is on direct line.

I was monitoring this for a while, arrow was the last one intercepted by akamai. The problem I see with mouser - long 15-20 sec page loading. Each navigation step tooks 20 or more seconds. Before everything was flying, so it is not improving service, akamai I mean.
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Have no idea what akamai is it, and how price policy would be modified by unknown proxy-mafia.
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So, the question is, how do you know that actually you are getting electronics components from authorize dealer like Mouser or Digikey?   

And what do you think HTTPS and SSL certificate is for?
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I'm too lazy to google.
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I'm talking about END point, so SSL and HTTPS is out of the scope. 
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2021, 12:29:31 am »
View security certificate in your browser.
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2021, 12:29:48 am »
I'm talking about END point, so SSL and HTTPS is out of the scope.
You are talking uneducated nonsense as far as I'm aware.
 
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2021, 03:19:54 am »
What I don't understand, that why akamai-technology is using https/ ssl certificate (seems right one) issued for Mouser?

Here is example. Mister A was stopped on a high-way by police patrol car. For drive license request, mister A presents legal drive license with the name of mister B ( no fake, no theft crime, right license to drive a vehicle on a high way).
The problem only, law demands mister A to show a license with his own name on it. Doesn't matter if document  correct or not, if mister A is not drunk and have his own legal license somewhere. 

All peaces of a puzzle may be correct,  Mouser has legal certificate for encryption HTTPS. And Akamai could be law respecting legitimate business.

What wrong, when akamai  show document issued for another third party. IP end address is akamai, license must be with the same name. If I communicate with a Mouser,  certificate must be for a Mouser AND end point (IP address ) must belong to  a Mouser. Other-ways identity institution doesn't make any sense.  Mister A would show drive license mister B, Madam D would bring a passport madam  F to the airline registration desk, etc.
 

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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2021, 03:21:45 am »
What I don't understand, that why akamai-technology is using https/ ssl certificate (seems right one) issued for Mouser?

Because they are acting on behalf of Mouser. The rest of your waffle is entirely irrelevant.
 
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Re: Identity of the mouser, digikey, arrow?
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2021, 03:24:11 am »
What I don't understand, that why akamai-technology is using https/ ssl certificate (seems right one) issued for Mouser?

Because they are acting on behalf of Mouser. The rest of your waffle is entirely irrelevant.
BS. You are saying, if you have negotiated with your neighbors to borrow a license, it is not police business
 You are really such stupid?
 


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