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“If Linux took over the world” 😁
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SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 02:45:08 am ---
--- Quote from: John B on April 19, 2023, 02:26:35 am ---MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.

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Success isn’t JUST technical achievement.

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Of course not. But again it's 100% normal that you can't get the amount of polishing and consistency in an open-source project maintained by thousands of people around the world, than what you get with a company that needs to sell stuff.

And as I pointed out, the strength of Linux and its whole point isn't anything related to UI stuff. So you can't focus on UI and blame an alleged "community".

But conversely, when some open-source, Linux-related desktop environements try that commercial, consistent approach - like Gnome - you end up with something relatively consistent and usable, but with very little configurability and that many people just hate.

The day some Linux distribution with some polished DE "takes over" the desktop market, it will probably not be good news for anyone currently using a Linux distribution. It will be the day some tech giant is in the driver's seat, and it won't be good news.

MS buying Canonical is actually more plausible than it looks, and the effects is likely to be disastrous for Linux in general.
Of course, worse yet would be the day when MS or Google takes the lead of the Linux foundation - which could well happen when Linus decides to retire, or passes away.

Oh well. Then a mass of people will flock to "Linux" and the rest will retreat to FreeBSD. :-DD
xrunner:

--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 19, 2023, 05:16:16 am ---How come you don't have a y/t channel all of your own?

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--- Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 06:13:17 am ---Who, me? I do. I don't promote it, it's for people who "happen upon it" - I am not an attention-seeker, I like it to be discovered. It makes no money, it's an archive of what I do. I don't want it for money.

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Oh gosh I gotta find it. There must be a way ... some of the smartest people I've encountered are on this forum they must have some ideas. Maybe your grammar or some key words you use all the time. There must be a way ... oh maybe I'll ask ChatGPT to examine your writing.  ^-^
eti:

--- Quote from: daqq on April 19, 2023, 08:37:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 03:01:34 am ---This basically sums up the insecurity and boiling “outrage” and envy of Android “communities”; summed up in a tiny little ironic, childish tantrum nutshell:

Remember, that’s the mindset baggage that’s dragged along when you purchase
mediocre phones.

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I shudder to think what horror must have happened to you after your purchase if it resulted in your mindset of several posts per month when you go on low effort troll journeys to shit upon everyone else or just complain about whatever thing tickled you wrong that day, all with an attitude of smug superiority, looking down upon us, the poor silly fools.

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Oh do hush.
eti:

--- Quote from: xrunner on April 19, 2023, 09:32:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 19, 2023, 05:16:16 am ---How come you don't have a y/t channel all of your own?

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--- Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 06:13:17 am ---Who, me? I do. I don't promote it, it's for people who "happen upon it" - I am not an attention-seeker, I like it to be discovered. It makes no money, it's an archive of what I do. I don't want it for money.

--- End quote ---

Oh gosh I gotta find it. There must be a way ... some of the smartest people I've encountered are on this forum they must have some ideas. Maybe your grammar or some key words you use all the time. There must be a way ... oh maybe I'll ask ChatGPT to examine your writing.  ^-^

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All the best finding it. It’s not a big secret, but I don’t “promote” myself and I’m a private person. If you find it, you’re not gonna know you did, so this is a moot point. It’s an archive - in a society of attention whores and desperate attempts to get “validated” by strangers, I let people do what they like, it’s just I don’t crow about my channel; who finds it, finds it.

In any outcome, whether you’re being facetious or not 🙃🙂😉😉 it has no bearing on anything whatsoever. ChatGPT won’t help you. But try, go on! 🙂
eti:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 19, 2023, 08:51:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 02:45:08 am ---
--- Quote from: John B on April 19, 2023, 02:26:35 am ---MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.

--- End quote ---

Success isn’t JUST technical achievement.

--- End quote ---

Of course not. But again it's 100% normal that you can't get the amount of polishing and consistency in an open-source project maintained by thousands of people around the world, than what you get with a company that needs to sell stuff.

And as I pointed out, the strength of Linux and its whole point isn't anything related to UI stuff. So you can't focus on UI and blame an alleged "community".

But conversely, when some open-source, Linux-related desktop environements try that commercial, consistent approach - like Gnome - you end up with something relatively consistent and usable, but with very little configurability and that many people just hate.

The day some Linux distribution with some polished DE "takes over" the desktop market, it will probably not be good news for anyone currently using a Linux distribution. It will be the day some tech giant is in the driver's seat, and it won't be good news.

MS buying Canonical is actually more plausible than it looks, and the effects is likely to be disastrous for Linux in general.
Of course, worse yet would be the day when MS or Google takes the lead of the Linux foundation - which could well happen when Linus decides to retire, or passes away.

Oh well. Then a mass of people will flock to "Linux" and the rest will retreat to FreeBSD. :-DD

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That ship sailed decades ago. It’s macOS. “Open source” is the preserve of activists and pedantic nerds. Actual, NORMAL PEOPLE want a tool they get out that does as advertised. Simple. You pay, you get. Easy. Life’s too short for bollocks like this - “politics” about bits of binary code. They make, they sell, they please their VAST user base to an exceptional level, you can do the research yourself.


Apple don’t see it as a “competition”, I feel - they have utmost, complete unshakable confidence in their platforms, and deservedly so. They built first and slowly iterate and refine. They LEARN from their mistakes, they don’t habitually RUSH garbage out of the door and crow about it in advance (a sign of insecurity, boasting). Of course they make mistakes, but they don’t boast and don’t FORCE bullshit like Microsoft and Google, etc. Microsoft are SO far off course, they don’t even remember where they left the highway, and Google’s arrogance and childish, clumsy designs and lack of focus, make them a laughing stock.

Almost everyone else desperately copies Apple; this is nothing new - whilst simultaneously, transparently clumsily pretending “we’re not”. Yup, they are.

The percentage of the population who know, let alone CARE A HOOT about “free software” or whether something is “liberated”, let alone whether it’s Linux or BSD or NT kernel or whatever, is about a trillionth of a percent. Less than the rounding error on the annual accounts of a mosquito.
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