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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2023, 12:38:42 am »
Related. Sort of speaks to what I meant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9712059
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2023, 12:43:51 am »
I don’t need to “convince” people when the fruits of their harvest are literally everywhere.

And yet here you are, desperately trying to do so. And failing, because you simply come across as a mindless zealot with nothing better to do than convince himself he's right.
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2023, 01:15:51 am »
I don’t need to “convince” people when the fruits of their harvest are literally everywhere.

And yet here you are, desperately trying to do so. And failing, because you simply come across as a mindless zealot with nothing better to do than convince himself he's right.

Decades of personal experience in trying out countless OS’ and platforms all that promise the moon and deliver the garden hedge, and (literally) thousands of hours of listening to gushing zealots on both sides, and then settling on some level-headed 40-50 year old industry experts (TWiT.tv) who don’t continually spout knee-jerk guff, but whom have consistently adhered to their views in all the years I’ve listened to them (I don’t agree with all, I’m no idiot, but my bullshit detector had yet to go off in 9 years of podcasts)

~ Leo Laporte
~ Adam Engst
~ Alex Lindsay
~ And Ihnatko
~ Rene Ritchie

^ Google them. They know a lot more than ALL OF US, being seasoned and industry renowned and respected.

… a whole slew more, many respected Apple & other tech journalists of MANY DECADES experience. Add that to my personal experience with Linux, windows, macOS, whatever, and their views just ADD UP, they don’t sit on YouTube spouting excited bollocks about the latest tech fad wave.

Why do I care what anyone uses? But I’m doing this thing called EXPRESSING MYSELF - it’s kinda what humans do - and I have firm views (which fluctuate sometimes - I’m not a stick in the mud)

I don’t concern myself with what you use or like or what colour socks you wear, but sure as the sun will rise, macOS and iOS are the pinnacle of doing platforms RIGHT, hence all the “debate” they stir up. People can’t STAND to see the success and rise of a platform or product which they feel threatened by, so will throw any old pathetic nonsense around to attempt to “convince” others it’s “rubbish”.

Linux ain’t “rubbish”, but my point is that has HUGELY lost its way (if it ever even had one) - okay it’s used - a lot - but it’s not the same success as windows and macOS, because it’s the pathetic, simpering  “underdog” mentality of the autistic zealot assholes that keep it there.

Also, Steve Gibson of GRC, someone I consider a personal friend, uses iPhone for its fluidity and refined sense of security and honouring the privacy rights of the owner. Ain’t no one nowhere more clued up and respected , by those what know, in security and honesty than Steve.

If you don’t know any of these people, I can highly recommend them as a source of great wisdom and balance.


PS: I’m not into “convincing”,  but on this occasion then yes, I’m most certainly right. You can disagree without being rude or acting like a baby - try it.


I’d take a walk across the internet and learn about a subject before belittling people who actually DO have experience. Yeah sure, I’m sure you have experience too, but only a fragile ego needs to one-up and belittle.

I passionate and forceful in my views, admittedly, but then so are 97% of the others on here - and there are some EXTREMELY insecure, nasty, self-important chumpstick goons on here. I hope I’m quite pleasant - but I don’t suffer from an inferiority complex, but also know I’m prone to being wrong too - don’t worry - we all are.
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2023, 01:31:45 am »
But I’m doing this thing called EXPRESSING MYSELF

All you ever express is your disdain for other peoples opinions, choices, and tastes, and your lack of understanding of the motivations and goals of others.

You can disagree without being rude or acting like a baby - try it.

But you already told us we can't disagree. You already told us our opinions and experiences are entirely irrelevant. You want rude? Look in a mirror.
 
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2023, 01:34:35 am »
I feel so special now that I get all the inside jokes.

You’re easily pleased 😄
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2023, 01:47:25 am »
But I’m doing this thing called EXPRESSING MYSELF

All you ever express is your disdain for other peoples opinions, choices, and tastes, and your lack of understanding of the motivations and goals of others.

You can disagree without being rude or acting like a baby - try it.

But you already told us we can't disagree. You already told us our opinions and experiences are entirely irrelevant. You want rude? Look in a mirror.

Ok.
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2023, 01:54:18 am »
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NORMAL PEOPLE want a tool they get out that does as advertised

As does all the software  running on this linux machine,no tinkering under the hood,no blue screens of death due to a missing dll or other nonsense ,and  all the motherboard hardware works without having to load   a cd full of drivers
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Almost everyone else desperately copies Apple;
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2023, 02:07:55 am »
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NORMAL PEOPLE want a tool they get out that does as advertised

As does all the software  running on this linux machine,no tinkering under the hood,no blue screens of death due to a missing dll or other nonsense ,and  all the motherboard hardware works without having to load   a cd full of drivers
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Almost everyone else desperately copies Apple;
:-DD

CD? 💿 🤨

1997 is at the door, asking for you.


Yeah? In my REAL WORLD, normal (relatively 😁) life, in the 21 years I’ve used Linux, not on one SOLITARY occasion has anyone ever asked me “What Linux <insert thing> do I need/would you recommend?”

Nope de nope de nope. Never. Those who I’ve asked “have you heard of Linux?” may as well have been asked if they’ve heard of a rock band of mice, who live on the moon in a tent.

Yeah it works very well. Granted. I agree. But it’s NEVER EVER going to be a competitor to shrink-wrapped, pre-deployed OS. You think no one has tried? It fails because that market was dominated DECADES ago, and no one uses it except fringe cases like you and I. One has to SEE that one’s a fringe case, and not live in a land of delusion. It’s fine - it’s not a matter of “wrong” it’s a matter of the Linux beardos being too engrossed in their own bedroom “universes” to understand commerce and REAL ACTUAL NORMAL PEOPLE; folk who wake up, use their Mac to check email and edit whatever, shut the lid, grab a coffee whilst texting ON THEIR iPhone, then come home after work and do it all again.

People want ZERO FRICTION from a known quantity that’s good a solid reputation and which word of mouth has firmly established

Linux AINT THAT.
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2023, 07:05:48 pm »
Was that funny though? :-DD (The idea that it could be funny is itself funny.)

Anyhow, just wait until MS buys Canonical (yes, I already hinted that once.)
Then the real fun will begin!

A problem with Linux is the "community", and the overwhelming lack of coherency and uniformity. Another HUGE problem, most nerds seem to miss (likely due to absent social skills) is the "why" of why macOS and Windows succeed - they do not have a pity party and rant, and behave like "the underdog" - they have a vision (well, Apple do), and they SELL their products unashamedly, instead of cowering in a corner - "Please, why don't you want to try ME?" like the insecure bloke at a school disco, EXUDING desperation and insecurity.

Make a BETTER product, IGNORE everyone else and what they are "doing", and KEEP IN LANE - focus - IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE the others, and refine YOUR strengths. Apple seemed to manage it (and HOW!), don't be pathetic and "downtrodden" - the hardware companies don't "owe" anything to Linux vendors - hardware is LITERALLY MADE FOR WINDOWS AND MACOS, BECAUSE THEY SELL MOST, because a uniform, PAID FOR, supported product = ££££ and simple, predictable products for NORMAL USERS.

I was once that VERY arrogant, annoying Linux "advocate" who reminded everyone of the "virtues" of "freedom". What a CROCK. Life is short - a tool works well, it sells well and is recommended, END OF.

The problem is with all the PC distro's, linux itself is indeed in all those things that do not require a PC desktop environment. Android and whatever apple run are as close as successful linux get.
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2023, 07:06:41 pm »
Nearly forgot. Apple have just opened their first Indian store. This is the start of a huge plan. This is brilliant. Good for them. Expect the envy and “outrage” to increase, by the lesser brands. 🤣



 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2023, 08:37:19 pm »
Was that funny though? :-DD (The idea that it could be funny is itself funny.)

Anyhow, just wait until MS buys Canonical (yes, I already hinted that once.)
Then the real fun will begin!

A problem with Linux is the "community", and the overwhelming lack of coherency and uniformity. Another HUGE problem, most nerds seem to miss (likely due to absent social skills) is the "why" of why macOS and Windows succeed - they do not have a pity party and rant, and behave like "the underdog" - they have a vision (well, Apple do), and they SELL their products unashamedly, instead of cowering in a corner - "Please, why don't you want to try ME?" like the insecure bloke at a school disco, EXUDING desperation and insecurity.

Make a BETTER product, IGNORE everyone else and what they are "doing", and KEEP IN LANE - focus - IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE the others, and refine YOUR strengths. Apple seemed to manage it (and HOW!), don't be pathetic and "downtrodden" - the hardware companies don't "owe" anything to Linux vendors - hardware is LITERALLY MADE FOR WINDOWS AND MACOS, BECAUSE THEY SELL MOST, because a uniform, PAID FOR, supported product = ££££ and simple, predictable products for NORMAL USERS.

I was once that VERY arrogant, annoying Linux "advocate" who reminded everyone of the "virtues" of "freedom". What a CROCK. Life is short - a tool works well, it sells well and is recommended, END OF.

The problem is with all the PC distro's, linux itself is indeed in all those things that do not require a PC desktop environment. Android and whatever apple run are as close as successful linux get.

Please articulate that a bit more clearly, thanks Simon.
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2023, 11:14:31 am »
If it took over the world I suspect most things would remain the same.

The core would function as expected and reasonably efficient. People of various distros would argue and go to war over silly things. As you move further away from the core code you will start getting into things that work randomly because of poor quality coding and the various format issues. People with the knowledge and skills to make it linux work, those people of course will make plenty of money and do well in society while those that don't will have to live on the lower rungs of society.

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2023, 12:09:01 pm »
"What do you anticipate Microsoft will do next?"

Microsoft will switch to Linux and keep selling their software on top of Linux. And it will cost the Windows users as much as before.
At the same time will the Linux community get face-stomped by hordes of Windows users, all trying to learn everything there is to
learn about Linux and in record-breaking time.
Some long-time Linux supporters will switch to Microsoft in a heart beat like cold-hearted back-stabbers, while others die
the slow death of the White Knight in the most epic drama the Linux community has ever seen, before the Linux community itself
disappears and we will all have turned into "the new Windows user".

Once it's all done and over, and Microsoft has taken over Linux with its hordes of Windows users, will you either be the
new slave of the Microsoft empire or you will have found refuge under a tiny bridge, just next to the one where all the
FreeBSD trolls live, and where you'll then be telling tales of Linux's past.
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2023, 12:23:45 pm »
They don’t compromise on user data security. Never. Ever.

They tried to get ahead of government mandates with as of yet unnecessary CSAM scanning and had to walk back.

You could argue they did it because they saw it coming, but they did compromise ahead of time.

PS. I'll never understand how an engineer can cheer on Apple. Apple got where it is because of the openness of PC and hardware market in general. So they are the first to find how to create a successful consumer electronic ecosystem out of it, build on hardware/store sales rather than advertising, great for them.  Consumer electronic ecosystem is a new natural monopoly though. They are still sharp because there is still some dying competition running on momentum keeping them sharp. Apple is the death of consumer electronic engineering, once Apple is the only game in town why even make a startup to get bought by Apple? At that point they've got you over a barrel, just as all their customers. With their competition, progress dies.
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2023, 12:42:05 am »
seem utterly unwilling to compromise

If you're just going to ignore me, I'm just going to repeat myself.

They tried to get ahead of government mandates with as of yet unnecessary CSAM scanning and had to walk back.

You could argue they did it because they saw it coming, but they did compromise ahead of time.
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I doubt Apple are ever going to be "the only game in town" - that is a fantasy.

If you understood why I said they are the death of consumer electronic engineering, you could have left out all that straw manning.
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2023, 02:05:04 am »
Please don't engage the banned guy. You'll only encourage him.
 


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