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“If Linux took over the world” 😁
« on: April 18, 2023, 11:32:57 pm »


Wow.


“19 things Linux users, never say” (you don’t need to get irrational or annoyed, Linux isn’t your Mum, and this is just some (very accurate) fun 🙂

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2023, 12:05:22 am »
I feel so special now that I get all the inside jokes.
 
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2023, 12:32:50 am »
Wow.

For some reason I've always thought you might look somewhat like the chap on that YT opening screenshot. ::)
I told my friends I could teach them to be funny, but they all just laughed at me.
 
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2023, 12:49:31 am »
Was that funny though? :-DD (The idea that it could be funny is itself funny.)

Anyhow, just wait until MS buys Canonical (yes, I already hinted that once.)
Then the real fun will begin!
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2023, 01:03:22 am »
Wow.

For some reason I've always thought you might look somewhat like the chap on that YT opening screenshot. ::)

There are approx 8 billion humans alive; I look like one of them, but you'll never "guess" which one! :)
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2023, 01:10:22 am »
Was that funny though? :-DD (The idea that it could be funny is itself funny.)

Anyhow, just wait until MS buys Canonical (yes, I already hinted that once.)
Then the real fun will begin!

A problem with Linux is the "community", and the overwhelming lack of coherency and uniformity. Another HUGE problem, most nerds seem to miss (likely due to absent social skills) is the "why" of why macOS and Windows succeed - they do not have a pity party and rant, and behave like "the underdog" - they have a vision (well, Apple do), and they SELL their products unashamedly, instead of cowering in a corner - "Please, why don't you want to try ME?" like the insecure bloke at a school disco, EXUDING desperation and insecurity.

Make a BETTER product, IGNORE everyone else and what they are "doing", and KEEP IN LANE - focus - IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE the others, and refine YOUR strengths. Apple seemed to manage it (and HOW!), don't be pathetic and "downtrodden" - the hardware companies don't "owe" anything to Linux vendors - hardware is LITERALLY MADE FOR WINDOWS AND MACOS, BECAUSE THEY SELL MOST, because a uniform, PAID FOR, supported product = ££££ and simple, predictable products for NORMAL USERS.

I was once that VERY arrogant, annoying Linux "advocate" who reminded everyone of the "virtues" of "freedom". What a CROCK. Life is short - a tool works well, it sells well and is recommended, END OF.
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2023, 01:50:49 am »
I don't particularly care about any kind of "tech community". But the thing you seem to be missing here is the following.
Linux is not a "product", and it doesn't want to take over the world. (Although, for such a bad approach, Linux - which in case you missed it, is just the kernel - is absolutely everywhere these days, from servers to mobile phones. So much for a huge problem. Even MS hasn't managed to do this despite their desperate attempts.)

Linux is not an OS. There are thousands of distributions which aggregate thousands of packages around the Linux kernel to provide something that looks like a traditional OS, but the model is completely different. And while it's not as polished in some areas as any commercial OS, it's more in others.

Why should it take over the world? Why the heck would you like it to be just like Windows or macOS?
If you like what MS and Apple do, just buy their products and leave the open source stuff alone. I don't get it.

Who cares about it not being for "normal users", whatever that means. Normal users do use Linux all the time with Android, in case you didn't notice. Android is an example of something polished around the Linux kernel. But it's completely controlled by Google.

If you want a desktop OS around the Linux kernel in the same vein, you'll get the same thing. Something only an organization such as MS or Google would come up with.
No kidding that most people actually involved in anything around Linux don't want that, ever. ::)

Meanwhile, Linux - again it's the kernel - is running on more devices these days than Windows ever has. :horse:
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2023, 02:26:13 am »
I don't particularly care about any kind of "tech community". But the thing you seem to be missing here is the following.
Linux is not a "product", and it doesn't want to take over the world. (Although, for such a bad approach, Linux - which in case you missed it, is just the kernel - is absolutely everywhere these days, from servers to mobile phones. So much for a huge problem. Even MS hasn't managed to do this despite their desperate attempts.)

Linux is not an OS. There are thousands of distributions which aggregate thousands of packages around the Linux kernel to provide something that looks like a traditional OS, but the model is completely different. And while it's not as polished in some areas as any commercial OS, it's more in others.

Why should it take over the world? Why the heck would you like it to be just like Windows or macOS?
If you like what MS and Apple do, just buy their products and leave the open source stuff alone. I don't get it.

Who cares about it not being for "normal users", whatever that means. Normal users do use Linux all the time with Android, in case you didn't notice. Android is an example of something polished around the Linux kernel. But it's completely controlled by Google.

If you want a desktop OS around the Linux kernel in the same vein, you'll get the same thing. Something only an organization such as MS or Google would come up with.
No kidding that most people actually involved in anything around Linux don't want that, ever. ::)

Meanwhile, Linux - again it's the kernel - is running on more devices these days than Windows ever has. :horse:

Yes. I know. I know Richard Stallman, I know GNU’s not Unix”, I know about “free as in libre” and the distinction between “free software” and “open source”.

I’m aware that “GNU” is a suite of applications into which Linux kernel was slotted, and that RMS’ “Hurd” Mach kernel didn’t gain traction.

I’m HYPER aware :) - I was aware back in 2002 when I was overdosing on ISO burning to DVD 📀 (still got a huge folder of discs!) - I must’ve watched 300 hours of Richard Stallman fiddling with his beard as he passionately rejected the “binary blob” and extolled the virtues of his “four freedoms”

I’m aware of Linus, and his many exploits. I’ve done gargantuan scale research on all of this, so am HYPER HYPER aware, to the point of saturation and now disinterest, lol.

I’m aware BSD forked into Darwin and macOS. I’m aware that BSD hails from the term “Berkeley Standard Distribution”

I’m not bragging I’m being honest. I know, and I’m merely saying that “GNU/Linux”, to be pedantic and factual, needs to pull its socks up and get their act together if they’re to make ONE, successful and commercial, consumer platform (not that they want to, I mean IF they do.)

Thanks for your time. I’ll email my CV shortly 😁



I apologise if that sounded defensive. Had a shitty evening tonight with personal issues and was feeling stressed. But I thought I’d attempt to explain my level of experience, just because 🤣
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2023, 02:26:35 am »
MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.
 

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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2023, 02:30:50 am »
MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.

I’m always somewhat amused, maybe a little sad,  as to how many “really clever” people seem to be restricted to LASER tight areas of knowledge, outside which their knowledge or awareness seems to drop off rapidly.

It’s too easy (and could be arrogant ) to think “How can you not know that? It’s basic knowledge!”- I’m guilty of this but never SAY it - I’m pretty self-aware, I’m hoping. Apparently I’m a polymath; a few people who know what one is, tell me they think it. I am a clever bloke but I’m not cleverer or better than anyone else, I’m just a human.
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2023, 02:45:08 am »
MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.

Success isn’t JUST technical achievement. The reason Apple is successful is a vast subject, a few facets of which are that each team member of a certain team, knows their place and isn’t allowed to venture outside it.

Apple have THE BEST:

~ Industrial designers
~ Psychologists
~ Engineers (hardware and silicon)
~ A marketing team to dream of. They have a HUGE team who work SOLEY on cardboard boxes and what paper sheens work best, the mechanics of how the card folds, etc.

~ A laser focus on themselves as they KNOW their products are the only Apples, and the absolute best; there’s no peers, it’s all Apple. Android and Windows are a very a poor facsimile of the two, regardless of being “good enough”

~ Talking of “good enough”, that’s never ever a thing at Apple. It’s perfection (as close as humans can get) or nothing. They don’t “compromise” for cheap sales etc. if you like them you buy it, and if not, never mind ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They don’t compromise on user data security. Never. Ever.


You don’t need to agree or disagree. It’s not needed. Apple (and I, and many of the customers that made them a multi TRILLION dollar company) means it speaks for itself. I don’t need to “convince” people when the fruits of their harvest are literally everywhere.
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2023, 02:55:03 am »
Nearly forgot. Apple have just opened their first Indian store. This is the start of a huge plan. This is brilliant. Good for them. Expect the envy and “outrage” to increase, by the lesser brands. 🤣

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2023, 03:01:34 am »
This basically sums up the insecurity and boiling “outrage” and envy of Android “communities”; summed up in a tiny little ironic, childish tantrum nutshell:



Remember, that’s the mindset baggage that’s dragged along when you purchase
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2023, 03:16:57 am »
Wow.

For some reason I've always thought you might look somewhat like the chap on that YT opening screenshot. ::)
:-DD
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2023, 05:16:16 am »
Wow.

For some reason I've always thought you might look somewhat like the chap on that YT opening screenshot. ::)

There are approx 8 billion humans alive; I look like one of them, but you'll never "guess" which one! :)

How come you don't have a y/t channel all of your own?
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2023, 06:13:17 am »
Wow.

For some reason I've always thought you might look somewhat like the chap on that YT opening screenshot. ::)

There are approx 8 billion humans alive; I look like one of them, but you'll never "guess" which one! :)

How come you don't have a y/t channel all of your own?

Who, me? I do. I don't promote it, it's for people who "happen upon it" - I am not an attention-seeker, I like it to be discovered. It makes no money, it's an archive of what I do. I don't want it for money.
 

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2023, 06:29:09 am »
Was that funny though? :-DD (The idea that it could be funny is itself funny.)

Anyhow, just wait until MS buys Canonical (yes, I already hinted that once.)
Then the real fun will begin!

Two chaotic, very lost and messy companies merging? Yeah, that'll work well /S
 

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2023, 08:37:12 pm »
This basically sums up the insecurity and boiling “outrage” and envy of Android “communities”; summed up in a tiny little ironic, childish tantrum nutshell:

Remember, that’s the mindset baggage that’s dragged along when you purchase
mediocre phones.
I shudder to think what horror must have happened to you after your purchase if it resulted in your mindset of several posts per month when you go on low effort troll journeys to shit upon everyone else or just complain about whatever thing tickled you wrong that day, all with an attitude of smug superiority, looking down upon us, the poor silly fools.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2023, 08:51:34 pm »
MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.

Success isn’t JUST technical achievement.

Of course not. But again it's 100% normal that you can't get the amount of polishing and consistency in an open-source project maintained by thousands of people around the world, than what you get with a company that needs to sell stuff.

And as I pointed out, the strength of Linux and its whole point isn't anything related to UI stuff. So you can't focus on UI and blame an alleged "community".

But conversely, when some open-source, Linux-related desktop environements try that commercial, consistent approach - like Gnome - you end up with something relatively consistent and usable, but with very little configurability and that many people just hate.

The day some Linux distribution with some polished DE "takes over" the desktop market, it will probably not be good news for anyone currently using a Linux distribution. It will be the day some tech giant is in the driver's seat, and it won't be good news.

MS buying Canonical is actually more plausible than it looks, and the effects is likely to be disastrous for Linux in general.
Of course, worse yet would be the day when MS or Google takes the lead of the Linux foundation - which could well happen when Linus decides to retire, or passes away.

Oh well. Then a mass of people will flock to "Linux" and the rest will retreat to FreeBSD. :-DD
 

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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2023, 09:32:00 pm »
How come you don't have a y/t channel all of your own?

Who, me? I do. I don't promote it, it's for people who "happen upon it" - I am not an attention-seeker, I like it to be discovered. It makes no money, it's an archive of what I do. I don't want it for money.

Oh gosh I gotta find it. There must be a way ... some of the smartest people I've encountered are on this forum they must have some ideas. Maybe your grammar or some key words you use all the time. There must be a way ... oh maybe I'll ask ChatGPT to examine your writing.  ^-^
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Re: “If Linux took over the world” 😁
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2023, 11:49:41 pm »
This basically sums up the insecurity and boiling “outrage” and envy of Android “communities”; summed up in a tiny little ironic, childish tantrum nutshell:

Remember, that’s the mindset baggage that’s dragged along when you purchase
mediocre phones.
I shudder to think what horror must have happened to you after your purchase if it resulted in your mindset of several posts per month when you go on low effort troll journeys to shit upon everyone else or just complain about whatever thing tickled you wrong that day, all with an attitude of smug superiority, looking down upon us, the poor silly fools.

Oh do hush.
 

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2023, 11:53:39 pm »
How come you don't have a y/t channel all of your own?

Who, me? I do. I don't promote it, it's for people who "happen upon it" - I am not an attention-seeker, I like it to be discovered. It makes no money, it's an archive of what I do. I don't want it for money.

Oh gosh I gotta find it. There must be a way ... some of the smartest people I've encountered are on this forum they must have some ideas. Maybe your grammar or some key words you use all the time. There must be a way ... oh maybe I'll ask ChatGPT to examine your writing.  ^-^

All the best finding it. It’s not a big secret, but I don’t “promote” myself and I’m a private person. If you find it, you’re not gonna know you did, so this is a moot point. It’s an archive - in a society of attention whores and desperate attempts to get “validated” by strangers, I let people do what they like, it’s just I don’t crow about my channel; who finds it, finds it.

In any outcome, whether you’re being facetious or not 🙃🙂😉😉 it has no bearing on anything whatsoever. ChatGPT won’t help you. But try, go on! 🙂
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2023, 12:04:42 am »
MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.

Success isn’t JUST technical achievement.

Of course not. But again it's 100% normal that you can't get the amount of polishing and consistency in an open-source project maintained by thousands of people around the world, than what you get with a company that needs to sell stuff.

And as I pointed out, the strength of Linux and its whole point isn't anything related to UI stuff. So you can't focus on UI and blame an alleged "community".

But conversely, when some open-source, Linux-related desktop environements try that commercial, consistent approach - like Gnome - you end up with something relatively consistent and usable, but with very little configurability and that many people just hate.

The day some Linux distribution with some polished DE "takes over" the desktop market, it will probably not be good news for anyone currently using a Linux distribution. It will be the day some tech giant is in the driver's seat, and it won't be good news.

MS buying Canonical is actually more plausible than it looks, and the effects is likely to be disastrous for Linux in general.
Of course, worse yet would be the day when MS or Google takes the lead of the Linux foundation - which could well happen when Linus decides to retire, or passes away.

Oh well. Then a mass of people will flock to "Linux" and the rest will retreat to FreeBSD. :-DD

That ship sailed decades ago. It’s macOS. “Open source” is the preserve of activists and pedantic nerds. Actual, NORMAL PEOPLE want a tool they get out that does as advertised. Simple. You pay, you get. Easy. Life’s too short for bollocks like this - “politics” about bits of binary code. They make, they sell, they please their VAST user base to an exceptional level, you can do the research yourself.


Apple don’t see it as a “competition”, I feel - they have utmost, complete unshakable confidence in their platforms, and deservedly so. They built first and slowly iterate and refine. They LEARN from their mistakes, they don’t habitually RUSH garbage out of the door and crow about it in advance (a sign of insecurity, boasting). Of course they make mistakes, but they don’t boast and don’t FORCE bullshit like Microsoft and Google, etc. Microsoft are SO far off course, they don’t even remember where they left the highway, and Google’s arrogance and childish, clumsy designs and lack of focus, make them a laughing stock.

Almost everyone else desperately copies Apple; this is nothing new - whilst simultaneously, transparently clumsily pretending “we’re not”. Yup, they are.

The percentage of the population who know, let alone CARE A HOOT about “free software” or whether something is “liberated”, let alone whether it’s Linux or BSD or NT kernel or whatever, is about a trillionth of a percent. Less than the rounding error on the annual accounts of a mosquito.
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