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If the shit hit the fan, what would be in your bug out bag?
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PerunNS1488:

--- Quote from: razberik on July 23, 2016, 12:49:40 pm ---What about good old gasoline generator ? The time for buying good old one is right now.

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Those "good old ones" from former eastern bloc countries look tough. In reality their engines are complete and utter turds and you won't find spare parts to keep them running. Their voltage regulation circuitry is fine if you want to run incandescent lightbulbs, hairdryers or maybe 70's tube radiostation, apply inductive load and it's likely that your modern PC or inverter arc welder will be fried.
Also, fuel economy of those old military generators is awful.

Get a proper modern generator based on Honda GX engine (or its clone). Those engines are used everywhere, fixing them and finding spares is easy.



--- Quote from: razberik on July 23, 2016, 12:49:40 pm ---Also good old car, like GAZ, or UAZ. Or Lada Niva ?

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GAZ 69 -  based on 1930s/40s technology. Old and unreliable POS. Avoid unless you want to keep the body and replace everything else with modern 4x4 car parts.
UAZ 469:
1. In the event of a crash you'll likely die because driver's safety was not considered in design stage.
2. Early 70s soviet technology, better than GAZ 69 but still crap.
3. Fuel economy? Soviets didn't care.
4. You think it's reliable? Nope. They break. A lot. Mostly trivial stuff but it's still anoying if you are stuck in the middle of a forest with a broken car.
5. Parts are getting harder to come by.
6. It's slow, easy to roll and uncomfortable.

If you need a reliable car get a Toyota pickup. Both TopGear and ISIL agrees that it'll keep working right until it's blown to kingdom come.
razberik:
Perun - very well, I listen to experienced.
My prepper friend is convincing me buying old czech generator, for about 4000CZK, thats about ... 162$, 150€, 645zl.
He is saying that if I want serious proper modern engine, I have to pay three or four times money more than for this old one.

About cars - In fact, I am not into cars. What is availability of parts for old toyotas in central EU ?

GEuser - Damm I simply love Lee Enfields. These are hard to find in CZ. Mine cost me about 570$. But I wanted it a lot and never seen a significantly lower price.
It always bring attention while at range.
1916 Birmingham.
eugenenine:
I'd take my Simpson 260 because it can double as body armor.
apis:

--- Quote from: bitwelder on July 23, 2016, 12:16:11 pm ---As the OP was asking about test gear, nobody plans on keeping a Geiger counter around?
Such good occasion to calibrate it for off-scale...  :-/O

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If there is an accident at a nuclear power plant that might be a good thing, especially if you can't rely on the government.

In case of nuclear war as well, but in that case most simple and cheap radiations counters available commercially wont work because they will saturate at much lower levels than what you would worry about during a fallout. And they need batteries and might be damaged by EMP's. To survive fallout the old manuals from the cold war claim you need to stay in a fallout shelter at least one meter below ground and stay there for at least a week. After that an industrial level radiation counter would be invaluable though. What to do next to rebuild society is anyone's guess, and it is (or was at least, people doesn't seem so knowledgeable about these things anymore) generally accepted that the lucky ones were probably those who got killed by the initial blast.

A design for a makeshift radiation meter that would work up to 43 röntgen/h (1 roentgen is approximately 10 mSv) was designed back then, that isn't based on any electronics at all (the Kearny fallout meter).
apis:

--- Quote from: Simon on July 23, 2016, 12:19:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: bitwelder on July 23, 2016, 12:16:11 pm ---As the OP was asking about test gear, nobody plans on keeping a Geiger counter around?
Such good occasion to calibrate it for off-scale...  :-/O

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You might not need one, if it all looks grey and burnt in the distance ahead, don't go that way :) A Geiger counter is probably the only useful bit of test kit if it were to be a nuclear disaster but ultimately if it was just head in the opposite direction to the blast as fast as you can.

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Fallout would potentially affect a much larger and different area than "ground zero" (depends on the weather), and if most of the densely populated world (and large parts of the sparsely populated) have been carpet-bombed by nukes you will have a hard time finding areas not affected.


--- Quote from: Simon on July 23, 2016, 12:33:24 pm ---I think the simple fact is most people would not be capable of restarting civilisation. We all think we are really clever because we run around without computers and smartphones and use other complicated machinery but in actual fact the only thing we have been smarting doing is earning the cash to buy those things which other people have designed because they are smarter than us. A lot of our modern equipment replaces basic tasks.
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Yep, so very true. Place a modern man in the wilderness and see how long he/she would survive. Our monkey cousins would all do much better. On top of that, in a disaster situation people would also have to deal with the effects of the disaster, and other people. The "rebuilding society project" would seem like an utopian fantasy.
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