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Illegal to order from Chinese fabs, export control?
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: axemaster on April 24, 2022, 02:33:40 pm ---I asked him if it illegal for private citizens to order PCBs from Chinese fabs, and he said yes.
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Oh really.
While some university may have a specific policy regarding this, I can't see how it could generally apply to private citizens.
But I may not be aware of the latest sanctions the US imposed on China.
Though if that were the case, no body in the US could ever get anything fabricated in China anymore, and I think we would have noticed.
cdev:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 24, 2022, 07:54:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: axemaster on April 24, 2022, 02:33:40 pm ---I asked him if it illegal for private citizens to order PCBs from Chinese fabs, and he said yes.
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Oh really.
While some university may have a specific policy regarding this, I can't see how it could generally apply to private citizens. ITAR, I think. But we santioned Russia, not China. Only a few items are santioned for China. Maybe supercomputers?
But I may not be aware of the latest sanctions the US imposed on China.
Me neither.. But watch out for FUD. Thats the worst.
Though if that were the case, no body in the US could ever get anything fabricated in China anymore, and I think we would have noticed.
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Lots of US businesses would go out of business without various inexpensive Chinese products and services..
cdev:
A chip fab makes semiconductors.. A PCB house is different.. they just put semiconductors on PCBs.. You provide the parts..
What university is involved, just curious? Many universities probably have various electronics projects made for them. Some universities probably have lots of boards made for them.
Some universities are probably particularly well informed. others not.If what he said was/is true, the situation may be changing raapidly with regard to Russia,l especially.
He would know where these rules were.. and why that was the case. (Up to the minute rulemaking)
Or it may be bullshit.
If you really wanted to know, wouldnt there be some rule he could cite? Ask him. The default should be to provide the exact data.. to you of whats going on.
Maybe Chinese businesses have been sanctioned more and there are new rules. I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand, just ask for the specific rules being violated/ Could you please post that info here, too.
Also, any other info you can dredge up..
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on April 24, 2022, 03:01:34 pm ---Without much more information and probably statement from the person making those claims explaining the basis for them, I wouldn't comment. He may be a knucklehead or perhaps what you are working on is subject to export control restrictions for some reason. What may have happened is that your university is taking an overly broad view of export control regulations in order to 'be safe'. However, I would struggle to understand how any purported violation would be deemed to have occurred only upon the delivery of the PCB to you. If uploading your files violated some export control restriction, I would think the violation has already occurred and is reportable now.
In any case, this is all well above your pay grade so to speak. Your education will now move into the area of bureaucracy, institutional interpersonal relations and regulatory interpretation. What may have happened is that your university is taking an overly broad view of export control regulations in order to 'be safe'.
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cdev:
Your department head might know more?
--- Quote from: BrokenYugo on April 24, 2022, 03:16:09 pm ---I'd suggest complaining upward. If you're right, it isn't your job to tell them to pull their head out of their ass. In the highly unlikely event you're wrong it's already documented with your name on it, no harm making a good faith effort to rectify the situation.
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cdev:
The fact is, lots of people who work for the government are flabbergasted by the situation with Russia and dont know what to do and its all changing fast..Not China, Russia. As far as I know. And, it really sucks for them because they have been working with Russian partners on the space program for a long time.. This guy may be right? Better safe than sorry!
--- Quote from: Marco on April 24, 2022, 06:46:46 pm ---Try to get a written (e-mail) explanation of what university/federal regulations were violated if you really want to protest it over his head. Trying to make a big deal about it with just some nebulous he said she said bullshit is going to backfire, exhaust your options with him fully first and get your ducks in a row.
That said, there is an obvious alternative. Write it off as a loss and next time order via a private address. Assuming it's really a private project, if not just go to your professor and tell him you need more money and why.
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