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Illegal to order from Chinese fabs, export control?

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axemaster:
Thanks for the replies!

I will continue to gather more info over the next 1-2 days. Sorry but I'm not going to reveal what university it is, I don't want to get myself in unnecessary trouble...

I have taken a look at the EAR "Commerce Control List" Category 3 (electronics). It looks like PCBs are restricted only when used in:
- missiles
- "Printed circuit boards and populated circuit cards with a layout that is “specially designed” for defense articles"
- PCBs designed for military electronics/vehicles/aircraft

bson:
I was just going to suggest that it's a use restriction, that Chinese parts or subassemblies can't be used in certain sensitive or classified projects.  Once a department is involved in a sensitive project barriers are erected.

I doubt PCBWay or JLCPCB are affected by sanctions.  If they were, to begin with it, would be difficult to pay them.  Sanctions against Chinese nationals tend to be associated with involvement in the concentration camps and the Uighur genocide.  And there are still sanctions in effect against those responsible for the Tiananmen Square massacre.

jonpaul:
Bonjour, most  interesting from a legal and customs standpoint !

Suggest that you

1/ ask university official for the US code that is cited.

2/ notice that most electronics can be considered "dual use" and potentially military.

3/ anything sent to a Chinese firm, even PCB, gerbers, for fab can be examined and appropriated by the Chinese  government, according to Chinese law.

4/  freight incoming to USA is cleared at POE by US CBP, USPS, etc
Generally if it was delivered, it has already cleared customs.

5/ in theory, your university has illegally intercepted your package, recieved vai US post or international freight. It has  committed an offense.

6 / get a PO BOX or personal adresse and don't use your University adresse.

bon courage ,

Jon

vav:
If you have someone in a country that is not subject to sanctions, order Chinese goods through them.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: axemaster on April 24, 2022, 08:40:14 pm ---I will continue to gather more info over the next 1-2 days.
--- End quote ---

Yep. Keep us posted too if you can, that's interesting.


--- Quote from: axemaster on April 24, 2022, 08:40:14 pm ---I have taken a look at the EAR "Commerce Control List" Category 3 (electronics). It looks like PCBs are restricted only when used in:
- missiles
- "Printed circuit boards and populated circuit cards with a layout that is “specially designed” for defense articles"
- PCBs designed for military electronics/vehicles/aircraft

--- End quote ---

That's what I knew as well. So, unless there are some new measures that we are not aware of yet...

But possibly any work done at your university is by default considered in the "defense" category. That's something you'll have to figure out.

Or again, maybe this is just some internal uni policy that they wanna enforce, and they'll make you think that it's a legal requirement.

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