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Im a E-bike guy, wopp di doo!
ebastler:
--- Quote from: PlainName on January 05, 2023, 12:54:08 pm ---Why is per km taxing so bad for EVs? They are big, heavy things that put more wear on the roads than most IC vehicles,[...] EVs are expensive enough that if you can afford one you can afford the tax too.
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This seems off-topic, since the thread is about e-bikes (i.e. electrified bicycles), not full-scale EVs.
Other posts above made some scary claims that an "e-bike" in the US can supposedly have any kind of motor power and no speed limit, as long as it has pedals which you need to push to keep the electric power going. Is that really the case? Specific rules seem to vary by state, but I also found this federal memorandum. It suggests a more reasonable definition, including 20 mph or 28 mph speed limits for various classes of e-bikes. Maybe someone from the US could shed some light onto this?
bson:
--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on January 01, 2023, 12:19:40 pm ---In the UK if its over a specific power, it rapidly becomes a motorcycle. So, therefore, comes under the laws for motorcycles but so far there has been little effort from the Police on this so on my drive to work I have to put up with being overtaken in a 30mph limit by someone doing >40mph. Then there is a chap posting videos of his 60mph one, I am only grumpy because I know if I did anything like this the Police would soon be after me.
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Here in California if it has a throttle control and can provide a pedal assist past 20 mph it's a moped. Anything that can exceed 20 mph assisted (but lacks a throttle control) is a class 3 and can't provide an assist past 28 mph; if it does it's also a moped. I believe the law was just changed to allow class 3 e-bikes to use bike lanes and multiuse paths. Needless to say, the laws are very spottily enforced.
bson:
--- Quote from: ebastler on January 06, 2023, 09:12:00 am ---Other posts above made some scary claims that an "e-bike" in the US can supposedly have any kind of motor power and no speed limit, as long as it has pedals which you need to push to keep the electric power going.
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The U.S. has no traffic regulations; it's entirely reserved to the states. 22 states currently share the class 1, 2, 3 definition which limits the motor power to 750W and assist speed to 28 mph for a class 3. E-bikes like regular bicycles nominally have to obey speed limits just like everyone else. Anything else is a moped and you need to get a license and register it. As far as I can tell the states with large cities and metro areas are the ones to regulate them - California, New York, Texas, Florida, etc. The ones without don't seem to care as much - Wyoming, Montana, and so on. The largest city in Wyoming is Cheyenne with pop 65k, so it probably doesn't really matter much there. States in the middle are probably just taking their time as it's not such an urgent problem, and eventually even the less urban states will adopt compatible laws for consistency.
jonovid:
Perfect for big city commuting is a Compact Folding e-bike design with Carry On Luggage type mini wheels & handle.
an e-bike design that has its own Luggage folding basket included. you can take it on a city bus or train.
50V is highest safe voltage for all wet weather e-bike also 25kmph safest e-bike speed limit for City traffic .
suspension is unnecessary below 20kmph.
ebastler:
--- Quote from: jonovid on April 13, 2023, 10:59:41 am ---Perfect for big city commuting is a Compact Folding e-bike design with Carry On Luggage type mini wheels & handle.
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I dunno. How long a commute do you have in mind?
"Long." > Are you sure you want to sit on such a thing, and bounce over bumps and into potholes with those mini wheels?
"Not long." > Forget about the e-bike and do some pedalling, you lazy bugger! ;)
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