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IMPORTANT POLL: Should there be an off-topic section?
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PlainName:
There seems to be an assumption that if someone has a complaint then saying it in public with either get everyone telling the perp to play the game or telling the complainer they are wrong. But what's missed here is that there tend to be a few mouthy people and the rest - the majority - don't immediately pipe up. It can also be hard for someone to say they agree with something when the noisy section are shouting it down - few want to be the only one to put their head above the parapet, and you never know if there are actually many such because no-one wants to be the first.

I fully accept that there are people that are just fine stating their opinion in front of everyone, and would do so even if it's an unpopular opinion. But there are just as many, if not more, that are not comfortable doing that, and I think it's wrong not to accommodate them (and insinuate the need to hold mummy's hand or whatever).
wilfred:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on September 10, 2022, 01:37:55 pm ---As a native speaker of American English (the source of the film Casablanca) I feel that assigning a meaning of returning to the status quo to the phrase "the usual suspects" goes a bit far.  I interpreted this, and assume a great many others interpreted it similarly, to simply mean that there are a group of people known or suspected by many to be prone to a certain behavior.  The extra meaning extracted from the film requires the entire context of usage from the film (plot, speaker, situation).

A return to the status quo may be the right answer in this case.  Or special treatment of the "usual subjects".  Or something else.  I am not wise enough to give a definitive answer here.  Dave obviously feels somewhat similarly, hence the question posed in this thread.

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I think we can agree vigorously. The context in the film does suggest the local police commander wants to enjoy a peaceful (profitable) life without close scrutiny from the Germans who currently occupy Casablanca. So he does what he usually does, round up the usual local criminals and appears gainfully occupied and collecting the necessary bribes at other times.

I'm not suggesting Dave is doing this. He's trying to do something useful and I think he'd be better off returning to the way things were. It just doesn't seem worth it when trying to meet the needs of everyone on the internet is like herding cats.
AVGresponding:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 11, 2022, 12:08:05 am ---
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You're essentially saying to get rid of the report button.

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Where do you get that idea? He said he uses it to report shill posts. So do I.




--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 11, 2022, 12:13:13 am ---
--- Quote ---deceitful to "go behind someone's" back, and "complain to mummy"
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It can be disrespectful to call out someone in public. Perhaps if they sent a PM all this fuss wouldn't be necessary, but people don't. They just mouth off (for a good example, your derogatory comment designed to stir up emotion, and we're not even arguing about a complaint) and then it will progress to name calling and the like.


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It's not disrespectful to call someone out publicly. It is disrespectful to call them derogatory names, or deliberately misrepresent what they said.




--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 11, 2022, 12:22:55 am ---There seems to be an assumption that if someone has a complaint then saying it in public with either get everyone telling the perp to play the game or telling the complainer they are wrong. But what's missed here is that there tend to be a few mouthy people and the rest - the majority - don't immediately pipe up. It can also be hard for someone to say they agree with something when the noisy section are shouting it down - few want to be the only one to put their head above the parapet, and you never know if there are actually many such because no-one wants to be the first.

I fully accept that there are people that are just fine stating their opinion in front of everyone, and would do so even if it's an unpopular opinion. But there are just as many, if not more, that are not comfortable doing that, and I think it's wrong not to accommodate them (and insinuate the need to hold mummy's hand or whatever).


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When it's in public, if it gets unjustly shouted down, then that's the time to involve the Mods. Remember in a free and just society, not only must justice be done, it must be seen to be done.

It is not wrong to allow people to state their opinions in private; it is wrong to act on them without due process, which in the cause of justice must include some transparency. This can be achieved by anonymising/redacting names from complaints if they are used as a basis for substantial Moderator action.
PlainName:

--- Quote ---It is not wrong to allow people to state their opinions in private; it is wrong to act on them without due process, which in the cause of justice must include some transparency.
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Where is that being suggested? Don't you think the mods will take a look and consider if there is substance or not before doing anything (or not doing anything)?
AVGresponding:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 11, 2022, 11:10:38 am ---
--- Quote ---It is not wrong to allow people to state their opinions in private; it is wrong to act on them without due process, which in the cause of justice must include some transparency.
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Where is that being suggested? Don't you think the mods will take a look and consider if there is substance or not before doing anything (or not doing anything)?

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In theory, of course. In practice it's not that simple, as gnif found out to his personal cost. He took substantive Moderator action (deleting posts en masse) based on reports received, and his (self-admittedly limited) understanding of the nature of the TEAnonymous thread.

On reflection he realised this was a mistake, and (wrongly in my opinion, but it's his life) stepped down as a Moderator subsequently.

Now, if there had been some transparency in the interpretation of the received reports, it might have been possible to defuse the situation before it escalated to the deletion of posts and the mini-exodus of TEAnonymous members, some of whom have made considerable contributions to that thread and the EEVBlog forum in general.


As ever, 20/20 is hindsight, and all this is just my personal opinion on the matter.
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