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IMPORTANT POLL: Should there be an off-topic section?
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wilfred:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on September 07, 2022, 01:04:20 pm ---An off-topic section might even make the rest fo the forum better and more focussed?  :-//

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That was what I thought of the TEA thread.

But I still think a small group of members laying down rules to suit themselves e.g. low post count members are unwelcome, is not going to end well. It smacks of a them-and-us attitude.

The forum has its faults but I've learned to live with them. I don't want change.
pcprogrammer:
Interesting how these things go. Getting a bit of a brexit vibe in the setup. The majority of the minority is voting against, (86 members out of 58490) based upon, what I think, mostly feelings like "I don't like change", but without taking the time to really think about it all.

Also missing is a well laid out idea about what the vote is about, judging by the now changed title of the poll.

Seen some good points in the comments here, like the section not being visible to "guests", so it does not become a magnet to attract the morons out there in the world.

But a simple solution for the more established members is already there. The supporters lounge is a place where it is possible to create a thread to discuss what might be a bit sensitive.

Take from it what you like.
Brumby:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 08, 2022, 05:28:48 am ---The majority of the minority is voting against, (86 members out of 58490)
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The total member count is a useless metric.  I won't even try to explain why (just think about it for half a minute).  The number of voters IS a significant number - because it represents a significant number of members that:
 1. Are engaged here regularly enough to have been active since the poll's creation
 2. Have come across the poll
 3. Have had an opinion
 4. They have expressed that opinion by voting

From my observations, the number of members who recorded a vote in this one is better than a lot of polls.


--- Quote --- based upon, what I think, mostly feelings like "I don't like change", but without taking the time to really think about it all.

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The key here: What you think.

I think you are WAAAAY off base - being dismissive of a clear indication of "No".  You seem to ignore the fact that there has been a very stressful exercise recently that has polarised many opinions and, if anything, people have put a lot more time into thinking about the question than ever before.

You have NO evidence to support the assertion: "without taking the time to really think about it all."
RoGeorge:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on September 07, 2022, 11:47:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: RoGeorge on September 07, 2022, 01:57:10 pm ---EEVblog will become yet another no-identity swamp of sheeple to be steered.  Is that what you want?

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I don't image it it ever becoming that, and I think it's a tad melodramic to claim that having one off-topic board (that can be ignored) would lead to that.

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I was thinking off-topic section means politics, religion, activism, war, conspiracies, other sensitive subjects and evil twists that can never be settled, and inevitably divides people.

And I bet many others understood the same, offtopic==alow_politics, that's why the mostly "no" in the poll results, and the proposed measures of no search indexing, post counts threshold visibility, enter here on your own risk, etc. so we won't be flooded by political bots.




--- Quote from: EEVblog on September 08, 2022, 02:25:59 am ---I just had an idea. Would anyone be interested in an "Off-Topic Projects" section? You could post your latest non-electronics related project, like you built a nice new deck, restored your car etc.

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That would be great to have, IMHO.  I'd love to see such projects.  :-+
pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: Brumby on September 08, 2022, 06:47:05 am ---The total member count is a useless metric.  I won't even try to explain why (just think about it for half a minute).

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I would not say that the total count is a complete useless metric, but you do have a point that there is less value in it. A large part of the members will not be to involved in the forum and as such will not have a strong opinion or interest in deciding on the current matter. It is a bit disappointing that the number of frequently active members is so low.


--- Quote from: Brumby on September 08, 2022, 06:47:05 am ---The key here: What you think.

I think you are WAAAAY off base - being dismissive of a clear indication of "No".  You seem to ignore the fact that there has been a very stressful exercise recently that has polarised many opinions and, if anything, people have put a lot more time into thinking about the question than ever before.

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And indeed it is what I think, just the same as to what you think is what you think.

Further more if you read my posts you would know that I see benefits both ways of having the off topic section or not. I'm well aware of the recent events. Was part of the off topic stuff for a brief moment and participated in the discussion about it.


--- Quote from: Brumby on September 08, 2022, 06:47:05 am ---You have NO evidence to support the assertion: "without taking the time to really think about it all."

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I can't support my assertion that members who voted did not take the time to really think about it all, I will give you that. I know you took the time for sure, because you present proper arguments for being against, but several of the posts here are simply stating "I don't like change". Whether they like it or not, things constantly change.

My preference is for a separate section to talk about "safe" non electronics related topics, and with "safe" I mean stuff that does not get people to upset. But I do also see it not working due to unwillingness of members to take their off topic stuff there. The whole argument from some that left, that having the TEA thread in a separate section that allows off topic would have avoided the whole ordeal is not valid, because it would still have been within the single thread that the off topic would have remained in causing the same trouble.

Sure I hope on a yes, but since Dave made this a democratic process, the majority has the say, even if it is the minority :)

The numbers are still rising, and yes the no is still ahead.
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