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IMPORTANT POLL: Should there be an off-topic section?
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Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: wilfred on September 08, 2022, 07:53:00 am ---As far as I am concerned Dave can go ahead and create an off-topic section without polling at all. I almost wish he would just to get it over with.

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Exzachary. Dave needs to either shit or get off the pot. And no, that's not a video topic suggestion.


Edit: not even for the second channel.
beanflying:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 08, 2022, 08:23:55 am ---
--- Quote from: beanflying on September 08, 2022, 07:58:19 am ---You made an arrogant ASSERTION of fact (in your opinion) with NO evidence that the other members who voted 'did not take time think about it'. Don't be dismissive of what thought did or did not go into clicking on a poll by others!

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And you just did the same by assuming otherwise and feeling the need to defend others from my statement.

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No not at all I was critical of YOUR initial post.

The poll is anonymous and unless you have magic clairvoyant skills you made up facts on what those people did or did not do to suit your assertions. Again you don't get to tell us or the responding members to the poll what considerations they made before pushing a button you simply have no idea about this!
PlainName:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on September 08, 2022, 02:18:16 am ---
--- Quote from: Brumby on September 08, 2022, 01:30:30 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on September 07, 2022, 11:47:45 pm ---
Ironically, it seems that if there was and off-topic section then the TEA thing would never have happened.


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Absolutely, categorically, definitively, demonstrably and unequivocally incorrect.  IMHO

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I should have added "according to some of them (the ones that left)". They have said and implied that they would have stayed if off-topic discussion was not policed.
I know there are other reasons as well.
Literal quote here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/tea/emptiness/msg4393246/#msg4393246

--- Quote ---If Dave is unwilling to give us a real OT space... lets at least see if the chain-link fence he put up around the old TEAnonymous stronghold is enough make the whiners whine somewhere else.
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I think you're being played.

Not in a targeted way but in the excuses. I think most (complained about) off-topic posts were there simply because the poster couldn't be arsed to find somewhere else to write the stuff. Having a separate OT place will only work if people start threads there - IME, moving an OT post to it's own thread to continue often does nothing, because few follow and just prefer to remain where they were. We see that already in normal threads that drift, and someone starts a new thread to continue (an exception being a really contentious topic, but we're not talking contentious here, just OT).

Secondly, once admonished, there were likely egos and perceived ownership at play. "It's OUR thread, we wrote it", etc. Forgetting it's your forum, they are only here because this place existed. And, of course, there are the head egos who loved the thread because everyone else looked up to their pronouncements.

Those aren't out to make this a better place; they want it to be THEIR place and to get their pedestal back. They are happy where they are right now, and all you'll get for bending over backwards is more excuses and not action. You can see that already, so I am wondering why you are still bothering - if they wanted to make things right they would have done so already. No doubt more than a couple are sniggering behind their hands at the total upset caused in this forum, that THEY have managed to provoke. I would say not to fatten their egos any more. Despite their knowledge (and/or google-fu), if that's how they want to play it is better that they are where they are rather than here, working up to making more fuss.
pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: Brumby on September 08, 2022, 08:32:40 am ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 08, 2022, 08:23:55 am ---And you just did the same by assuming otherwise
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All Beanflying did was state your assertion was not based on any evidence.  If you do have any hard evidence (and thoughtful musings are not) then we would be keen to hear it.


--- Quote ---and feeling the need to defend others from my statement.

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Again, he was just making it clear that what you said should not be accepted as fact.  Some people will take such casual comments and run with them as if they were fact.  Airing such unfounded opinions need to be challenged so as to avoid them gaining undeserved credibility.

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Which you did in a, to me, proper manner. And I responded to that hopefully the same, but that did not lead to a follow up from your side.

And I agree I should take better care when writing that things are my interpretation and never facts, unless I can provide some foundation for them.

But I can provide some evidence here, based on a single observation. Just look at the two posts RoGeorge made here. One early on, and one just above on this page. At first he was dead against, but now that the parameters surrounding what would be allowed have changed, he has also changed his view. That is what my second part of my post expressed, that the basic idea was not well laid out, but that did not get any response.

No it was just trip over the first line of what I wrote, that members where not thinking, because that is most like how it was perceived.

But this also shows that having discussions about real politics and religion are not possible without offense. People don't read properly anymore. They instantly see what they think it says, and I'm not free of that either, but at least try to take a step back before attacking someone.
PlainName:

--- Quote ---But this also shows that having discussions about real politics and religion are not possible without offense. People don't read properly anymore. They instantly see what they think it says
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This is a good point. It's also worth noting that one is either completely and totally on one side or the other - there is no middle ground. Merely pointing out some mistake in an argument automatically puts one on the other side regardless of actual view and previous statements.
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