IMPORTANT: Should the EEVblog have separate channels?

[EEVblog]

OK, good example, this new video:
It's not really strictly electronics related, but has relevance to fibre optics which are discussed a bit, and I put work into editing this so it's "polished" as well as it can be. And I think it has potentially broad appeal to engineers. So does this video go on EEVblog main (unnumbeed or not?) or EEVblog2?

[mrpackethead]

Id rather just one channel; provided its labeled well, what it is.  I already decide what i want to watch in the first channel.   All thats happened is now its split between two channels.  I dont' watch everythig.

[EEVblog]

OK, good example, this new video:
It's not really strictly electronics related, but has relevance to fibre optics which are discussed a bit, and I put work into editing this so it's "polished" as well as it can be. And I think it has potentially broad appeal to engineers. So does this video go on EEVblog main (unnumbeed or not?) or EEVblog2?

Interesting result so far, most people want it on the main channel:

[tautech]

OK, good example, this new video:
It's not really strictly electronics related, but has relevance to fibre optics which are discussed a bit, and I put work into editing this so it's "polished" as well as it can be. And I think it has potentially broad appeal to engineers. So does this video go on EEVblog main (unnumbeed or not?) or EEVblog2?

Interesting result so far, most people want it on the main channel:

Likewise !
Only watched a couple of minutes then popped to ~1/2 way and the content is such I'll be watching it completely later. Good stuff !

[voltlog]

If a video on eevblog2 is popular it doesn't mean it should be on the main channel because I think the idea with the main channel is to keep things focused. A popular video from eevblog2 might not be as popular for the people subscribed only to the main channel as they expect something else to be published here.

[bitwelder]

OK, good example, this new video:
It's not really strictly electronics related, but has relevance to fibre optics which are discussed a bit, and I put work into editing this so it's "polished" as well as it can be. And I think it has potentially broad appeal to engineers. So does this video go on EEVblog main (unnumbeed or not?) or EEVblog2?

I don't know how much material do you think you have for the EEVDiscover channel, but if you'd consider it as "polished scientific non-stricly-electronics contents" channel, I'd put that video there.

[Red Squirrel]

I vote for everything in one.   If there's some more "raw" stuff that people may be less interested in (like say a multi hour unedited stream or something) then they simply don't watch it.

[T3sl4co1l]

Seems like it would dilute things more, yeah.  Also, the rate of new videos is kind of slow these days, seems like it wouldn't be the best time to split things up more, at least right now.

If you're hiring more creators, to have, like, EEVBlog-sponsored, influenced, spin-off, whatever channels, that would be a good idea though.  Like VSauce / VSauce2 / VSauce3, that have individual creators and styles.

Tim

[mrpackethead]

As i thought about this, i release it doe'stn matter to me.. so i'm now a "dont care"

The videos turn up in my subscruiption ( from what ever channel ) and i choose if i watch them or not )..   I'm subscribed to all the eevblog channels, and i dont' really differentiate between them. its all dave talking about stuff.
If its boring to me. i shut dave up. If its interesting, i listen.   

[Pedram]

unfortunately this forum is not the best place to take votes, because most people here are geeks!!.

if you want to expand channel to general engineers
I think you should hire a (maybe professional) video editor

take a look at "Linus Tech Tips", "Smarter Everyday" and "Veritasium" formats.
most of their videos are less than 15 minutes and also they are heavily edited.  no shaky camera,  no built-in mic, no single takes. lots of voice-overs, no unnecessary camera movement,   etc etc  ...


currently EEVBlog is great for electronic engineers but it's just too boring for less-experienced engineers and non-engineers

[SparkyFX]

I think you already nailed the optimum by sorting the various sections in playlists instead of only serving one-sided niche content. Who wants to watch a bunch of fundamentals videos can do so without the need to subscribe to another channel - of which the recommendations will vanish in the mass if only updated a fraction of EEVBlogs usual update rate. It would make sense if you could magically produce much more videos per week.

Of course I´d rather believe in the steadily expanding collection of content that can be referred to than trying to get to the latest hype content which is outdated after a short while, so from a content point of view those channels would be filled with interesting stuff from the start, but it´s the update rate (x content quality) that gets new viewers. Not that hype is bad, but the mix ensures a wide range of audience and also keeps it interesting. Trying out new stuff once in a while isn´t actually pushing people to unsubscribe, right?

[EEVblog]

I think you should hire a (maybe professional) video editor

That person would have to know electronics at least as good as I do in order pick up mistakes, know what things to leave out or what extra things need to be included.
I've explaiend this many times, so won't go into detail again, sufice it to say that I'm much better off editing my own content.

take a look at "Linus Tech Tips"

Has an entire team of dozens of people working full time for him.

, "Smarter Everyday" and "Veritasium" formats.

Both only produce a couple of videos a month, tops.

most of their videos are less than 15 minutes and also they are heavily edited. 

Because they have to appeal to a general mass audience. Electronics will never be general mass appeal.

no shaky camera,  no built-in mic, no single takes. lots of voice-overs, no unnecessary camera movement,   etc etc  ...

My video have none of that.

currently EEVBlog is great for electronic engineers but it's just too boring for less-experienced engineers and non-engineers

Wrong. About half of my audience is students, graduates and hobbyists who aren't very experienced.

[screwbreaker]

currently EEVBlog is great for electronic engineers but it's just too boring for less-experienced engineers and non-engineers

Not true. I'm not an engineer, I'm far far away from this, I'm just a beginner. But I really like the EEVBlog video format. They are so natural, it's clear they are made from someone who really know and like what he do.
I really hate too short videos or too much edited videos, they always feel unrealistic and incomplete.
Like modern TV shows, they are full of words but completely free of knowledge. That's why most people moved from TV to YT. Because the quality of the content was better.

[Pedram]

That person would have to know electronics at least as good as I do in order pick up mistakes, know what things to leave out or what extra things need to be included.
I've explaiend this many times, so won't go into detail again, sufice it to say that I'm much better off editing my own content.

Fair enough, but you have to start at some point.

no shaky camera,  no built-in mic, no single takes. lots of voice-overs, no unnecessary camera movement,   etc etc  ...

Yes numbered videos are professional. but EEVblog2 videos aren't that polished (never meant to be). what i want to say is if you want to combine both channels you should spend more time on editing (which you don't have) , I might be wrong but i think you have to either hire someone or release videos less frequently.

Wrong. About half of my audience is students, graduates and hobbyists who aren't very experienced.

I was talking about second channel.

[janoc]

take a look at "Linus Tech Tips",

You got to be kidding, right? This guy often barely knows what he is talking about, makes a public ass out of himself when he talks about stuff he knows nothing about (and often even when he does ...) and has a large production team behind him. Furthermore, his stuff is not targeted to any engineers but mostly PC gamer kids. Really great example to choose ...

"Smarter Everyday" and "Veritasium" formats.

That's a general public/science popularization content, totally different thing. You can't exactly talk 30+ minutes about water in the sink spinning in one direction or another without putting everyone to sleep.

most of their videos are less than 15 minutes and also they are heavily edited.  no shaky camera,  no built-in mic, no single takes. lots of voice-overs, no unnecessary camera movement,   etc etc  ...

That's not in Dave's videos neither and apart from a few live shots outdoors (where it is unavoidable) I don't really know where did you see this. He also shows his video setup regularly, so you can clearly see what cameras and microphones is he using.

currently EEVBlog is great for electronic engineers but it's just too boring for less-experienced engineers and non-engineers

I would say that it is completely normal - EEVBLOG isn't Netflix or cat videos, it is not about entertainment (unlike the 3 channels you have given as examples). If someone has an attention span of a toddler, it is going to be difficult to explain anything technical, no matter what you do.

[Pedram]

take a look at "Linus Tech Tips",

You got to be kidding, right? This guy often barely knows what he is talking about, makes a public ass out of himself when he talks about stuff he knows nothing about (and often even when he does ...) and has a large production team behind him. Furthermore, his stuff is not targeted to any engineers but mostly PC gamer kids. Really great example to choose ...

"Smarter Everyday" and "Veritasium" formats.

That's a general public/science popularization content, totally different thing. You can't exactly talk 30+ minutes about water in the sink spinning in one direction or another without putting everyone to sleep.

most of their videos are less than 15 minutes and also they are heavily edited.  no shaky camera,  no built-in mic, no single takes. lots of voice-overs, no unnecessary camera movement,   etc etc  ...

That's not in Dave's videos neither and apart from a few live shots outdoors (where it is unavoidable) I don't really know where did you see this. He also shows his video setup regularly, so you can clearly see what cameras and microphones is he using.

currently EEVBlog is great for electronic engineers but it's just too boring for less-experienced engineers and non-engineers

I would say that it is completely normal - EEVBLOG isn't Netflix or cat videos, it is not about entertainment (unlike the 3 channels you have given as examples). If someone has an attention span of a toddler, it is going to be difficult to explain anything technical, no matter what you do.

My entire post wast about editing. not the content 

[EEVblog]

That person would have to know electronics at least as good as I do in order pick up mistakes, know what things to leave out or what extra things need to be included.
I've explaiend this many times, so won't go into detail again, sufice it to say that I'm much better off editing my own content.

Fair enough, but you have to start at some point.

No, I don't, because doing so will not add value to my channel.

Yes numbered videos are professional. but EEVblog2 videos aren't that polished (never meant to be). what i want to say is if you want to combine both channels you should spend more time on editing (which you don't have) , I might be wrong but i think you have to either hire someone or release videos less frequently.

It's not as easy as you think it is to just hire someone to do editing of technical electronics videos.
I could go into the details on why doing so would actually be detrimental, but I've done that dozen times before.
Suffice it to say that if I had someone do the editing it would take me more time, and the technical content would suffer.
And I said it before, but I'll say it again, sometime (most times) you can't just polish a 2nd channel turd in editing, editing is not magic.

Wrong. About half of my audience is students, graduates and hobbyists who aren't very experienced.

I was talking about second channel.
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The 2nd channel is for random non-polished content were I don't care if anyone likes it or not.

[bloguetronica]

Different playlists would probably do. Anyway, it is your channel, Dave. I have no say about it.

Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

[VK5RC]

I initially voted for one channel, can see the argument for at least two - one more 'polished' etc
As I don't watch all of the videos, for me sorting through one list is easier.
I do enjoy the videos though. Thanks
Rob