IKEA and W(TF?)

[Zucca]

guess multimeter use is prohibited at your place  .

Exactly, because this was happening at my friend's house 400km far away. I was just supporing him by phone.maybe now he followed my suggestion and got a dmm.

 

[Vtile]

Apple is a fraud, Americans are the biggest liars on the planet everything for them is mo money!

I'm not talking about moral, and I don't care about it, or to a broader extent, any social science topics. I'm a fucking engineer, and I deal with nature science.

Engineer without moral is no good in a long run as they became so damn expensive eventually to any group they work with.  ..ask VW.

[cdev]

It says they sell custom made furniture.   The fake "Apple store" apparently sells real Apple products, not fakes.

Ikea had a sordid history of using slave labor in East German factories back in the 20h century. 

Counterfeit IKEA store! just luve this, Kamprad eat your own sawdust!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021607/First-fake-Apple-stores-China-fake-Ikea-shop-Kunming.html

That's no counterfeit at all. They made it very clear -- they are called 11 furniture, not Ikea.
They cloned the Ikea theme and business model, but that's it.
If you walk into it and believe it is Ikea, then you are foolish and you deserve to be scammed.

[Vtile]

OK. I don't follow your reasoning. I'm a finn though and our moral is said to be pretty rigid. The phd part were as I thought, it were a bit tasteless from my part, sry for that.

[wraper]

guess multimeter use is prohibited at your place  .

Exactly, because this was happening at my friend's house 400km far away. I was just supporing him by phone.maybe now he followed my suggestion and got a dmm.

 

Could be just crappy PSU which does not handle inrush current and goes into protection. BTW current rating might specify current draw within voltage tolerance. Say if there is 20% less voltage, bulb likely will draw 20% more current to keep the same power.

[lundmar]

I've never experienced bad LED bulbs in the IKEA stores in Denmark. In fact, I consider them to have the cheapest high quality LED bulbs available in this neck of the woods.

However, IKEAs meatballs are no good. The danish meatballs are much better!

[stj]

getting back to the first post,
2 lamps with the same lumens and totally different wattage,
clearly from different factories - be interesting to see teardowns - one is much more efficient.
(or the label is bs)

btw, the only thing worth buying in ikea is the rechargeable battery's and the ground coffee. 

[Zucca]

(or the label is bs)

 

[wraper]

clearly from different factories - be interesting to see teardowns - one is much more efficient.

Not so much that you would notice, less than 10% difference. However both have pretty crappy efficiency on the level of decent CFL bulb.

[Galenbo]

One should test the:
- 200 lm
- 2700 K
- 36°

Many times these values on low cost Chinese products will be far away from any rating or label.

If you need 4 lamps for a furniture, bathroom, hall, always buy minimum 6 items, chances are too high that some of the lamps have a very different color or brightness than the other ones.

[Galenbo]

The led lamps I have work at +-9V 300mA, 3W
You can feed 12V but they don't shine brighter, I didn't measure the current or lifetime at 12V.

So I could interprete the numbers being:

-3.5W dissipated in the Led itself
-constant 330mA current rating
-up to 12V maximum input, or: 12V input, the internal regulator takes what it needs.

the "12V" can also be interpreted as: NOT 230V

[tszaboo]

Chinese people always cheat, its in their genes, just as Austrians are ultra conservative!

We are smart, and we only cheat for profit. Ikea, just like most international big companies, give more money than enough to OEMs to not to cheat, and have an integrity system. If cheating doesn't end up making more money, we don't. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
The same extends to Foxconn. You don't see Foxconn using fake parts for iPhones. When you race to the bottom, cheating is a must because that's how a company can maintain competitive. When you are in the main stream or upper end, cheating hurts more than it gains.

You collectively ruined the reputation of a country of 1 billion people with the constant frauds and cheating for 2 cent profit. And made in china became equivalent of "shit product made by the lowest buidder". That is anything BUT smart.

Compare it with a country like the Swiss. They've been making high quality items consistently for centuries, and nobody ever questions their integrity. 97% of their GDP is export.

[Halcyon]

However, IKEAs meatballs are no good. The danish meatballs are much better!

Bah! You haven't lived until you've tried Finnish meatballs.   

[Zero999]

So for example  in AC they are 3,8W and un DC 5,4w?

Anyway I am missing a "max" in the description...

The AC can be 5.4VA and the DC being 3.8W, PF=0.7. It looks reasonable to me.

Yes, I'd say the same thing. It probably has a bridge rectifier plus smoothing capacitor on the input, which will give under unity power factor.

[cybermaus]

However, IKEAs meatballs are no good. The danish meatballs are much better!

Bah! You haven't lived until you've tried Finnish meatballs.   

I am willing to arbiter this. Send me a half-meal size sample each and I will provide a ruling.*

*in case of doubt, it may take multiple samples

[Zucca]

So I could interprete the numbers being:

Why we need to do that, it is like a book but you need special glasses to read it. No sense. Those labels should be banned for eternity.

[lundmar]

However, IKEAs meatballs are no good. The danish meatballs are much better!

Bah! You haven't lived until you've tried Finnish meatballs.   

For gods sake man! The juicy onions go on the inside of the meatballs!

What are you doing.. trying to kill people??

This is how proper meatballs should look:

[cdev]

The core principle is making the surplus profits for the owners. If they needed to pay more they paid more but as soon as they dont wages here will fall as low or even lower than China. Plus there is India, so wages will fall still lower then.  The winners are the ones who run the ecommerce web sites, not the ones who sell all their work for $0.0001 in profit. During that time their rent cost them $1

We make whatever we are asked to make. Pay $10 for a phone, you get $10 quality plus a deadly charger. Pay $500 for a phone, you get something comparable with latest Apple/Samsung.

When it races to the bottom as you can see on AliExpress/DX, the system ranks seller selling similar/identical products by lowest price, and if you don't get your price low, Ali system will not show your listing.
Doesn't like manufacturers to cheat for cents? Go talk to Jack Ma.

Now, facing a dilemma -- you can go out of business for lack of orders, or you can make shit and make a living, which one will you choose? This is the smart part.

For many people I know in China, they don't care the image of their country. They care about making their own livings, and when they have enough money, immigrate.