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Insane overengineering of a car headlight

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Someone:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 30, 2022, 11:28:58 pm ---It's a bit damning to effectively say it's someone elses tough shit if you ever make a mistake. Or they make a mistake and you made matters worse than they should have been.
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Hence strict liability being an interesting perspective, you choose to drive a car that is more dangerous, then you can pay for any consequences.

I submit to your honour that if the defendant had walked to the shops any resulting collision would have been of trivial consequence, but they chose to transport in a two ton sharp metal box which horribly injured me.

james_s:

--- Quote from: Someone on March 31, 2022, 12:28:39 am ---Hence strict liability being an interesting perspective, you choose to drive a car that is more dangerous, then you can pay for any consequences.

I submit to your honour that if the defendant had walked to the shops any resulting collision would have been of trivial consequence, but they chose to transport in a two ton sharp metal box which horribly injured me.

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It already is. If you injure or kill somebody you are held responsible, if it is done through negligence you can be charged with vehicular manslaughter, it's a serious crime.

I expect the same of others as they expect of me. I pay attention to what I'm doing and I try not to hit people when I'm driving. As a pedestrian I pay attention to where I am and try to stay out of the path of vehicles. This is really not that hard, no matter how much we mandate ugliness in cars in the name of pedestrian safety it is still far better to focus that energy on preventing collisions. If people would just put their damn mobile phones down and watch where they're going, whether driving or walking it would go a long way toward reducing the number of injuries and deaths. Instead we have the tail trying to wag the dog, adding all sorts of band-aids on top of the symptom rather than focusing on the cause. The vast majority of vehicle-pedestrian collisions are very easily prevented. They are the result of people simply not paying attention.

james_s:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 30, 2022, 11:28:58 pm ---No-one is perfect. In other fields you would be only too happy to take precautions just-in-case, and mostly because it's you that's at risk. It's a bit damning to effectively say it's someone elses tough shit if you ever make a mistake. Or they make a mistake and you made matters worse than they should have been.

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Nothing is perfect, ever, life is full of risks, people die every single day, it is just a fact. Practical issues aside, I would be willing to wager that installing a mobile phone jammer in a car would do more to help pedestrian safety than installing rounded bumpers and a sloping hood. It's all kind of moot anyway with the massive SUVs that everyone is driving now. It doesn't matter what shape you make the front when the hood is practically at shoulder height.

Someone:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 31, 2022, 01:12:20 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on March 31, 2022, 12:28:39 am ---Hence strict liability being an interesting perspective, you choose to drive a car that is more dangerous, then you can pay for any consequences.

I submit to your honour that if the defendant had walked to the shops any resulting collision would have been of trivial consequence, but they chose to transport in a two ton sharp metal box which horribly injured me.
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It already is. If you injure or kill somebody you are held responsible, if it is done through negligence you can be charged with vehicular manslaughter, it's a serious crime.
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Except when you look at what actually happens, drivers kill or injure pedestrians and insurance covers it (mandatory/public insurance in many/most countries). They don't see the individual cost of their choices as its averaged across the population, just as mandatory safety requirements are pushed onto that same population. We don't have radically different costs for insurance based on how "good" the driver is or how safe their vehicle is, and if it does go to court a driver isnt grilled on their choice to buy/drive a "truck" vs a small city car, they get treated the same.

Real world:

--- Quote from: https://revealnews.org/article/bay-area-drivers-who-kill-pedestrians-rarely-face-punishment-analysis-finds/ ---Sixty percent of the 238 motorists found to be at fault or suspected of a crime faced no criminal charges during the five-year period, CIR found in its analysis of thousands of pages of police and court records from Alameda, Contra Costa, Santa Clara, San Mateo and San Francisco counties.

When drivers did face criminal charges, punishment often was light. Licenses rarely were taken away. Of those charged, less than 60 percent had their driving privileges suspended or revoked for even one day, an automatic penalty in drunk driving arrests.
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Caught for drink driving (or speeding) thats an automatic fine/suspension in many jurisdictions despite being a victimless crime, but kill someone, meh they'll get over it.

tom66:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 30, 2022, 11:02:38 pm ---Frankly I don't care about pedestrian safety. I'll stay off of the sidewalks, people should stay out of the road. If everyone just watched where they were going and paid attention this wouldn't be such an issue. The goal should be to not hit pedestrians, not to try to make cars less likely to injure them when they do hit.

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What about children? The blind? Or just people who are distracted? The fact is, despite the best efforts of drivers and pedestrians, there are about 300,000 pedestrian deaths per year. 

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