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coppice:

--- Quote from: Someone on March 31, 2022, 12:23:00 am ---Except a comparable market with the Volvo XC60 (not a small vehicle) has a more rounded front and almost identical impact point as your 740 example. Every single aspect of their front designs is optimised in the never vehicle to reduce the forces in the current safety tests, for pedestrians: Head Impact (rounded sloped bonnet and deformation), Upper Leg Impact (rounded impact point below hip), Lower Leg Impact (no protruding bumper).

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Depends which XC60 you are looking at. The front of the older one, that was replace in 2017, has a lowish front edge to the bonnet, and is very much rolled off. The newer one has a much higher and flatter front. With a 740 the first point of impact is the big black bumper, and as they pushed the pedestrian over they meet a sloped off bonnet which will catch them. The smaller XC40 has an even higher bonnet and squarer front than the XC60 or XC90. Its so tall its the total height of a small child, and will hit one like a battering ram. Besides safety issues, its not clear to me how these newer designs achieve decent results in drag tests.

Someone:

--- Quote from: coppice on March 31, 2022, 06:49:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on March 31, 2022, 12:23:00 am ---Except a comparable market with the Volvo XC60 (not a small vehicle) has a more rounded front and almost identical impact point as your 740 example. Every single aspect of their front designs is optimised in the never vehicle to reduce the forces in the current safety tests, for pedestrians: Head Impact (rounded sloped bonnet and deformation), Upper Leg Impact (rounded impact point below hip), Lower Leg Impact (no protruding bumper).

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Depends which XC60 you are looking at. The front of the older one, that was replace in 2017, has a lowish front edge to the bonnet, and is very much rolled off. The newer one has a much higher and flatter front. With a 740 the first point of impact is the big black bumper, and as they pushed the pedestrian over they meet a sloped off bonnet which will catch them. The smaller XC40 has an even higher bonnet and squarer front than the XC60 or XC90. Its so tall its the total height of a small child, and will hit one like a battering ram. Besides safety issues, its not clear to me how these newer designs achieve decent results in drag tests.

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I did look at the currently available one (which scores better euroncap pedestrian safety than the older lower/rounder looking model) with the scale comparison attached below. Panel give/softness and "catching" the pedestrian becomes the game, which these modern cars do better.

Also, if you want to go like for like against a 740 that would be something like a Volvo V60, rather than a soft roader. But the current V60 model does slightly worse on the euroncap pedestrian safety measure than the current XC60 !

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Someone on March 31, 2022, 03:24:11 am ---[...]
Caught for drink driving (or speeding) thats an automatic fine/suspension in many jurisdictions despite being a victimless crime
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Is it really victimless, though?  Speeders/drinkers are subjecting others to increased risk....  so it is only victimless until it isn't?

Someone:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 02, 2022, 11:20:51 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on March 31, 2022, 03:24:11 am ---[...]
Caught for drink driving (or speeding) thats an automatic fine/suspension in many jurisdictions despite being a victimless crime
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Is it really victimless, though?  Speeders/drinkers are subjecting others to increased risk....  so it is only victimless until it isn't?
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Yes, victimless until it isnt, but even with the victim obvious, fault found, why do car vs pedestrian collisions have so few penalties applied?

Answer... speeding/drink driving is cheap/easy to prove and prosecute, so gets aggressively targeted for enforcement and penalties. Sad but true.

Australian (state of Victoria) example, several victimless crimes:
25km/h over the speed limit (in any speed zone) $500 fine and mandatory 3 month license suspension, unable to be appealed or waived on hardship grounds etc.
Failing to stop at a school children's pedestrian crossing when people are on the crossing, $454 fine
Failing to give way (or stop if required) at a level crossing, $909 Fine

won't someone think of the children trains!

One of those is an immediate and present danger to other (vulnerable) road users, but has the smallest fine! Train vs car, train wins. Car vs child.....

PlainName:

--- Quote ---why do car vs pedestrian collisions have so few penalties applied?

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It's not often a car mows down a pedestrian (at least, when they do the penalty tends to significant and the court case very public). More often, I suspect, the pedestrian gets in the way of the car. While peds have right of way over cars, physics says peds can get out of the way easier, so there's a limit to how much stupidity they can get away with.

A better question may be why cyclists get away with so much law breaking. Mostly that's 'victim-less' but only because peds can jump out of the way easier. Quite often on my walks around here I find myself stepping into the road so a bloody cyclist can zoom by on the footpath.

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