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| tom66:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on April 03, 2022, 07:28:57 am ---You can add automatic versus manual transmission to that list these days. I know there are purists out there who will argue that manual transmissions give them "greater control" over the vehicle, which is just bollocks in my eyes, but the fact remains, a well designed modern automatic transmission is better than old manual boxes in every way, including fuel economy. --- End quote --- Indeed. I was helping my fiancé prepare for her driving test recently, and there's a great deal in the theory test that is completely irrelevant to anyone who doesn't drive a manual -- and really does not make me miss them! "Select a low gear going down hill", "use the engine for braking", "use a higher gear in snow", "careful when you downshift to avoid damage to the engine" etc. She's been learning in my hybrid, it's almost too easy. Electronic parking brake, hill hold, regen braking, cruise control, and ridiculously easy to park on electric-only mode as you can move it about 1 cm at a time if you need to. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote --- Just look at the numbers: https://www.bts.gov/content/transportation-fatalities-mode 2020: US 38,680 road deaths, 16% of which were pedestrians! --- End quote --- Doesn't tell us anything we want to know. Yes, it gives absolute numbers but doesn't say how or why they occured. The explanation even cautions against comparing across categories. --- Quote ---Or, are you trying to argue rates of prosecution for victimless crimes by car drivers and cyclists should be equally high? --- End quote --- I am saying that cyclist naughtiness is no less of a victimless crime than drink-driving, and that the chance of a cyclist being prosecuted for breaking the law is much lower than for a car driver. |
| JPortici:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on April 03, 2022, 07:28:57 am ---You can add automatic versus manual transmission to that list these days. I know there are purists out there who will argue that manual transmissions give them "greater control" over the vehicle, which is just bollocks in my eyes, but the fact remains, a well designed modern automatic transmission is better than old manual boxes in every way, including fuel economy. --- End quote --- I have yet to see one automatic transmission that doesn't add at least 0.5l/100km if you can kindly suggest which you think are better than manual stick in every way including fuel economy i'll try and make some tests... i know for sure it's not those from VAG or FCA (thought they have better driving profiles in alfa romeo). I hear mixed reports from clients on mercedes but i don't have direct experience so i think in the end it's just a matter of getting used to things regarding manual vs automatic. Though while we're at it, cars already have tilt sensors so they should know they don't have to keep going to a higher gear when on a steep ascent or descent. Even in """manual""" at some point they take over, screw that i'll be a grumpy stick driver for as long as i can. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on April 03, 2022, 07:28:57 am ---You can add automatic versus manual transmission to that list these days. I know there are purists out there who will argue that manual transmissions give them "greater control" over the vehicle, which is just bollocks in my eyes, but the fact remains, a well designed modern automatic transmission is better than old manual boxes in every way, including fuel economy. --- End quote --- In daily use a good automatic performs better, but the manual version of a car is usually cheaper to buy. There are some weird exceptions with expensive sports cars, where the automatic is cheaper, but they are minor exceptions. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on April 03, 2022, 07:28:57 am ---You can add automatic versus manual transmission to that list these days. I know there are purists out there who will argue that manual transmissions give them "greater control" over the vehicle, which is just bollocks in my eyes, but the fact remains, a well designed modern automatic transmission is better than old manual boxes in every way, including fuel economy. --- End quote --- They're more predictable - an auto requires a little learning curve as to when it shifts or you can get some surprises. Also, they teach you to think ahead. Otherwise, most people are incapable of driving manuals efficiently, so apart from reliability (where they almost always win), there's really no advantage. --- Quote from: JPortici on April 03, 2022, 12:58:09 pm ---I have yet to see one automatic transmission that doesn't add at least 0.5l/100km if you can kindly suggest which you think are better than manual stick in every way including fuel economy i'll try and make some tests... i know for sure it's not those from VAG or FCA (thought they have better driving profiles in alfa romeo). I hear mixed reports from clients on mercedes but i don't have direct experience so i think in the end it's just a matter of getting used to things regarding manual vs automatic. --- End quote --- DCTs are quite capable of being more efficient than manuals in the hands of the average driver - none of the usual auto losses, and you take the incompetent person out of the loop (and replace them with engineers who don't drive real roads, but that's another argument). |
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