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| Infraviolet:
"Smart" devices are usually just a euphemism for surveillance devices, turning the user's private life in to a product. Who would have ever thought people would pay to install such things to keep tabs on them. And, ofcourse, for all these "smart" items it ends up being a pretty dumb decision when the company decides to end the products life (or goes bust) and takes down the remote server which it is pointlessly* reliant on. *If it was about being legitimately smart the devices could be designed to work with a user's local systems, but that remte server becoems a necessaity when the manufacturer's intention is to harvest user data for selling to the highest bidder(s). |
| tszaboo:
I work for a company that makes IoT or Industry 4.0 products. We are making worldwide supply chains more sustainable, and transportation of liquids more safe. It's a measurable effect. Industrial accidents were avoided, because something that wasn't connected to the internet before has been connected, and it sent an alarm. Or did you know, that the French railway companies loose hundreds of wagons, they just don't know where it is. You put a GPS tracker on it, then you don't loose it. A wagon is a thing. Smart toaster ovens with app control is not why IoT is changing everything. And it's not even meant to change everything, just make the existing world a little bit more efficient and livable. |
| eti:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on December 14, 2022, 11:02:34 pm ---I work for a company that makes IoT or Industry 4.0 products. We are making worldwide supply chains more sustainable, and transportation of liquids more safe. It's a measurable effect. Industrial accidents were avoided, because something that wasn't connected to the internet before has been connected, and it sent an alarm. Or did you know, that the French railway companies loose hundreds of wagons, they just don't know where it is. You put a GPS tracker on it, then you don't loose it. A wagon is a thing. Smart toaster ovens with app control is not why IoT is changing everything. And it's not even meant to change everything, just make the existing world a little bit more efficient and livable. --- End quote --- “ Smart toaster ovens with app control is not why IoT is changing everything. And it's not even meant to change everything, just make the existing world a little bit more efficient and livable.” What chump would entrust the safety of their home to a connected oven? The firmware crashes, or else someone logs in or hacks it, ramps the element up to 100% and you’ve accidentally left food in there…. Whoops! Hello house fire. Seriously, there’s a deficit of sense these days. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: eti on December 14, 2022, 11:59:30 pm ---What chump would entrust the safety of their home to a connected oven? The firmware crashes, or else someone logs in or hacks it, ramps the element up to 100% and you’ve accidentally left food in there…. Whoops! Hello house fire. Seriously, there’s a deficit of sense these days. --- End quote --- FYI for anyone else seeing that claim: it’s nonsense, in that that is not an actual risk. For one thing, heating appliances have hardware thermal cutouts, often in the form of a resettable thermal breaker at one temperature and a one-time thermal fuse at a higher one. Secondly, the Wi-Fi modules for major appliances are typically, well, modules that extend the microcontroller system - separate so as to make it easy to sell models with and without Wi-Fi. So the core control of the heating is by the microcontroller that is there either way, and the optional Wi-Fi then sets the modes the controller makes available. It doesn’t have the ability to override the core control loops. |
| eti:
--- Quote from: tooki on December 15, 2022, 12:23:49 am --- --- Quote from: eti on December 14, 2022, 11:59:30 pm ---What chump would entrust the safety of their home to a connected oven? The firmware crashes, or else someone logs in or hacks it, ramps the element up to 100% and you’ve accidentally left food in there…. Whoops! Hello house fire. Seriously, there’s a deficit of sense these days. --- End quote --- FYI for anyone else seeing that claim: it’s nonsense, in that that is not an actual risk. For one thing, heating appliances have hardware thermal cutouts, often in the form of a resettable thermal breaker at one temperature and a one-time thermal fuse at a higher one. Secondly, the Wi-Fi modules for major appliances are typically, well, modules that extend the microcontroller system - separate so as to make it easy to sell models with and without Wi-Fi. So the core control of the heating is by the microcontroller that is there either way, and the optional Wi-Fi then sets the modes the controller makes available. It doesn’t have the ability to override the core control loops. --- End quote --- Machines go wrong. Thermal cutouts DO fail, but sense and instinct rarely lets us down - you’re “trusting” machines that involve heating elements being left unattended? You’re LITERALLY inviting trouble, risk and danger into your home. The entire planet never needed a remote cooker before now; why suddenly are people SO short-sighted and complacent? It’s a sci-fi daydream is why. Wake up. This is SO, SO foolish. |
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