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| eti:
When we were children and went on holiday, my Father would walk around the house unplugging EVERY SINGLE mains plug. Now that is UNcommon sense these days, but I still switch off the oven AT THE MAINS SWITCH after using it, and do the same for the toaster and kettle before I sleep - because I was given sense and a brain for a reason - machines DO FAIL. Read: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/14/20802774/june-smart-oven-remote-preheat-update-user-error And there’ll be more accounts like this I’m sure. |
| themadhippy:
--- Quote --- you’re “trusting” machines that involve heating elements being left unattended? --- End quote --- As does a large percentage of the population, cookers are often left powered up to save having to reset the clock |
| eti:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 15, 2022, 12:43:01 am --- --- Quote --- you’re “trusting” machines that involve heating elements being left unattended? --- End quote --- As does a large percentage of the population, cookers are often left powered up to save having to reset the clock --- End quote --- . Good point. But wilfully turning one on when you’re many miles away is absolutely BRAIN DEAD. |
| SiliconWizard:
Actioning devices from a distance is inherently risky. Only monitoring, a lot less so, although in this case, the concern is mainly privacy. While "IoT" is a bit of a loose term, it defines devices that are connected to the Internet. The ambiguous part is whatever "connected" means here. Connected and accessible are two different things. One device could be able to access Internet ressources (for instance, to get the current or forecasted weather) in pretty much a "read-only" way, without any feature allowing accessing it remotely. That, I find acceptable and useful without too much issues at all. It would just need a connection to your LAN. Access it privately over your LAN only, and let it pull data from some Internet ressources if needed. End of the story. The other, and actually most common definition of IoT is a device that can *push* data to a remote server (not just pull as above), and additionally that can be actioned remotely. In both cases, through a remote server owned by a company and on which you need a user account, with all the privacy and security concerns (and sometimes even safety concerns), and of course usually the subscription that comes with it. The first form would still be very useful and would be perfectly fine for most reasonable uses, but problem is that it wouldn't make any money for companies selling that, except just selling the hardware. Which has almost become a dead marketing end. So companies prefer the latter, with its constant stream of revenue and the ability to make even more by selling your data to third parties. |
| eti:
Dangerous “smart ovens”; oops. It seems uncommon sense trumps idealism: https://phys.org/news/2017-10-flaw-hackers-smart-ovens.amp https://hackaday.com/2017/04/20/half-baked-iot-stove-could-be-used-as-a-remote-controlled-arson-device/ “ Rogue 'Smart' Ovens Again Highlight How Dumb Tech Is Often The Smarter Choice” https://www.techdirt.com/2019/08/23/rogue-smart-ovens-again-highlight-how-dumb-tech-is-often-smarter-choice/ Truly smart people understand how STUPID it is to blindly rely on “smart” moniker and assume it makes your life easier. Is there a “smart” device that automatically buys you a new house when the oven burns yours down? Doh. Double doh! |
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