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| Mr.B:
--- Quote from: tom66 on December 14, 2022, 09:21:51 am ---Many of these WiFi smart apps are provided by Tuya, a Chinese smart device company that has a frickin' weird business model that seems completely unsustainable... --- End quote --- When I want to introduce more elements of home automation I specifically seek out devices using Tuya. Why? Because they are so easily converted to NOT be cloud and only talk directly to my Raspberry Pi running Home Assistant. Google: Tuya Convert |
| rstofer:
If I paid any attention to the presumed failures above, I would give up on my Chevy Bolt because not only is it ALL electric, it is also networked to GM's OnStar system whether I subscribe or not. They know all about how hard I stomp on the loud pedal. And they warn me about tire pressure... |
| woody:
--- Quote from: rstofer on December 15, 2022, 02:15:14 am ---If I paid any attention to the presumed failures above, I would give up on my Chevy Bolt because not only is it ALL electric, it is also networked to GM's OnStar system whether I subscribe or not. They know all about how hard I stomp on the loud pedal. And they warn me about tire pressure... --- End quote --- ` And not only that. Nothing holds the M3 standing in our driveway from receiving a command over the air, waking up and driving off. No plug I can pull to prevent it. Maybe an old-fashioned chain to the tow-hook ;D |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: eti on December 15, 2022, 12:33:42 am ---Machines go wrong. --- End quote --- Yeah, sometimes. --- Quote from: eti on December 15, 2022, 12:33:42 am ---Thermal cutouts DO fail, but sense and instinct rarely lets us down --- End quote --- That is laughably incorrect. Common sense and instinct are very, very frequently VERY wrong, and risk assessment is precisely an area where they let us down in grand style. --- Quote from: eti on December 15, 2022, 12:33:42 am ---you’re “trusting” machines that involve heating elements being left unattended? You’re LITERALLY inviting trouble, risk and danger into your home. --- End quote --- Just like millions of people around the world. If ovens burning down houses were a significant problem, we’d know about it. --- Quote from: eti on December 15, 2022, 12:33:42 am ---The entire planet never needed a remote cooker before now; why suddenly are people SO short-sighted and complacent? It’s a sci-fi daydream is why. Wake up. This is SO, SO foolish. --- End quote --- ”Suddenly”? Aka the “appeal to tradition” logical fallacy. Don’t get me wrong; I don’t see any reason why I’d want a Wi-Fi enabled oven. (Unlike the washer and dryer.) But if my landlord were to install an oven with Wi-Fi, I wouldn’t lose one second’s sleep worrying that it was going to cause a fire. --- Quote from: eti on December 15, 2022, 12:39:40 am ---When we were children and went on holiday, my Father would walk around the house unplugging EVERY SINGLE mains plug. Now that is UNcommon sense these days, but I still switch off the oven AT THE MAINS SWITCH after using it, and do the same for the toaster and kettle before I sleep - because I was given sense and a brain for a reason - machines DO FAIL. --- End quote --- The preference you arrogantly refer to as “common sense” is just that: a preference. Some would say it goes as far as paranoia. Most people, myself included, don’t give it a second’s thought because a century of electrical appliances in widespread use has led to the fundamental bugs being worked out decades ago, and there simply isn’t any evidence of widespread failures. To reiterate: I’m not stating that it’s categorically impossible, just that it’s so unlikely as to not warrant any worry. --- Quote from: eti on December 15, 2022, 12:39:40 am ---Read: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/14/20802774/june-smart-oven-remote-preheat-update-user-error And there’ll be more accounts like this I’m sure. --- End quote --- I’m not surprised that that’s with a device from a startup. The established manufacturers have far more experience designing things. What would be far more interesting/instructive IMHO is whether there are cases of full size ovens (as opposed to a $1400 glorified toaster oven) having similar malfunctions. |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: eti on December 15, 2022, 12:33:42 am ---Machines go wrong. Thermal cutouts DO fail, but sense and instinct rarely lets us down - you’re “trusting” machines that involve heating elements being left unattended? You’re LITERALLY inviting trouble, risk and danger into your home. The entire planet never needed a remote cooker before now; why suddenly are people SO short-sighted and complacent? It’s a sci-fi daydream is why. Wake up. This is SO, SO foolish. --- End quote --- Don't look at your window. You might realise we let people pilot two-tonne metal boxes after doing a 45 minute exam. I don't see why anything tooki said is wrong. You know what else fails? Normal thermal switches used on regular ovens. In fact my mothers' oven failed in such a way that it left the gas supply on, so we had to isolate the whole house... eek. |
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