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pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 15, 2022, 08:00:10 am ---I don't see why anything tooki said is wrong.  You know what else fails?  Normal thermal switches used on regular ovens.  In fact my mothers' oven failed in such a way that it left the gas supply on, so we had to isolate the whole house... eek.

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Yep, anything made by mankind can fail. But like tooki expressed the long standing companies have proper track records and produce dominantly safe equipment. This is also due to strict regulations put up by governments, like CE markings and "KEMA keur" (A Dutch quality mark)

Having an electric oven without wifi, but with electronic temperature control can also fail, even though it has several safety measures. Same applies for an electric oven that just has a mechanical thermostat. Everything can fail.

Trusting on the safety of IoT dumb or not, I don't know. Do we really need it, I don't know. All I know is that I don't need it per se, and for controlling something like a heating system, I just make my own. Had a 6502 based control system for my central heating in the Netherlands, and now I have a Raspberry PI system that controls the heating system in my house. It is connected to my internal network, but there is no access from the outside world. No need for it.

The advantage of such a system is that you can control the temperature of each room individually, and save energy by doing so.

tggzzz:
IoT features introduce a completely new class of failure points.

In practice, the new class of failure are all too common. Unless there are real practical benefits to adding IoT features, it is best to avoid such failures by avoiding IoT.

Wilksey:
I've always turned appliances off before going to bed, don't know why really, my father used to do it so I just carried it on.
We have a gas cooker, so the only thing the mains power (13A plug) is the clock and igniters, it has several gas shut off systems built in, yet if I go away for more than a day I turn the actual gas valve to the cooker off.  The TV, Sky box gets turned off at the wall too, the only things running overnight is the fibre modem, wifi router and my servers, not for any particular reason do I turn everything off, just a habit.

I don't have location or gps or wifi / mobile network on my phone unless I need it, then it goes off after I have used it, Bluetooth only goes on if I am connecting to my car's hands free etc.

My BMW has a "connected service" that I can turn things on and off from my phone, but I refuse to pay the stupid subscription when I can go to my car and do it for free.

I am not against "connected things" I think they have their specific places, for example for my previous company I designed a 4G interface unit that hooked up to the Debug port of the device, for monitoring and remote maintenance, we had the MVNO set up a private APN that we could tunnel into through a VPN on their firewall and we could talk to the devices securely, this saved literally hundreds of hours of engineers visits, sometimes they were across the other side of the country.   But a WiFi connected fridge?  Come off it.

I've also used it on a solar install at the rail side to monitor battery usage and capacity and if the thing is getting enough solar energy to keep the batteries charged and run the system.

eti:

--- Quote from: Wilksey on December 16, 2022, 12:50:42 am ---I've always turned appliances off before going to bed, don't know why really, my father used to do it so I just carried it on.
We have a gas cooker, so the only thing the mains power (13A plug) is the clock and igniters, it has several gas shut off systems built in, yet if I go away for more than a day I turn the actual gas valve to the cooker off.  The TV, Sky box gets turned off at the wall too, the only things running overnight is the fibre modem, wifi router and my servers, not for any particular reason do I turn everything off, just a habit.

I don't have location or gps or wifi / mobile network on my phone unless I need it, then it goes off after I have used it, Bluetooth only goes on if I am connecting to my car's hands free etc.

My BMW has a "connected service" that I can turn things on and off from my phone, but I refuse to pay the stupid subscription when I can go to my car and do it for free.

I am not against "connected things" I think they have their specific places, for example for my previous company I designed a 4G interface unit that hooked up to the Debug port of the device, for monitoring and remote maintenance, we had the MVNO set up a private APN that we could tunnel into through a VPN on their firewall and we could talk to the devices securely, this saved literally hundreds of hours of engineers visits, sometimes they were across the other side of the country.   But a WiFi connected fridge?  Come off it.

I've also used it on a solar install at the rail side to monitor battery usage and capacity and if the thing is getting enough solar energy to keep the batteries charged and run the system.

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Continuing a “tradition”? Hehe :)

I’d have to ask why you’d continue doing so without questioning “why do I do this?” - this is a good habit, but this “because it’s what my parents always did” behaviour is what sometimes confuses and amuses me about people. The sheer amount of truly idiotic things some people do, just because their folks did it, makes me question whether they’ve ever used any critical thinking 😁

But yeah your adopted tradition has no downside, only upside.

Wilksey:
Yeah there are some questionable things my parents used to do that I do not follow, but turning things off is one that makes sense in a way.
My mum used to think everything that was left on was wasting power and my dad used to think that the fuseboard might catch fire (again), so yes, appliances do fail when they are "idle"...
They never had a gas cooker just central heating.

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