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Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« on: November 11, 2022, 07:20:40 pm »
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2022, 07:23:52 pm »
"Asking for a friend."

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"coin cell" -> HV coil -> discharge circuit on contact.  Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

No, you horrible person!  Get some OLD carpet and try to put it in the place where it happens, but let the cat do what it NEEDS TO DO. Some people need to wise up about their pets, or give the pet to someone loving and responsible. It's not a HORSE, it's a tiny, sensitive creature. Can we make one for you, too, and zap YOU?  :P
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2022, 07:35:08 pm »
I would certainly not try this, the fly swatter circuits are meant to kill flies, have you ever touched one? It hurts! Try a Scat Cat, they fit on a can of air duster and use a motion detector to release a hissing sound that startles most cats but doesn't harm them.
 
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2022, 07:37:34 pm »
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2022, 07:40:26 pm »
In Ratpsych 101 you learn that aversion is very powerful at controlling behavior.  Problem is that with both aversion and attraction, the rats just go in circles and poop everywhere. (That's a little hyperbole.)

A flyswatter will probably not injure the cat.  Most animal trainers use incentives, but fear can be used too, such as loud noises. 
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2022, 07:42:26 pm »
With animals, love and kindness ALWAYS work best... and PATIENCE... and if you have none of those, don't have a cat. It's a blessing to you, not a nuisance to be fixed. Patience PAYS OFF.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2022, 07:44:09 pm »
In Ratpsych 101 you learn that aversion is very powerful at controlling behavior.  Problem is that with both aversion and attraction, the rats just go in circles and poop everywhere. (That's a little hyperbole.)

A flyswatter will probably not injure the cat.  Most animal trainers use incentives, but fear can be used too, such as loud noises.

Obedience through fear? Sounds like Russian politics! BAD, clumsy "solution".
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2022, 07:54:46 pm »
A kids water pistol is likely the very best deterrent.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2022, 08:03:10 pm »
Obedience through fear? Sounds like Russian politics! BAD, clumsy "solution".
Based on your concurrent bleeding heart stories, I could care less what you think.  You have been a success at nothing.  Using "Russian politics" is just a diversion.  Try to keep politics out of a discussion about training cats.  The term pets applies to many animals, but American law as related to them differs by species.   That is, dogs are different than cats.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2022, 08:05:38 pm »
A kids water pistol is likely the very best deterrent.

It can even be automated so you do not have to be there for the act.  Several YT videos on that.  One crazy funny one uses a water hose.  It is outdoor, of course.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2022, 08:18:29 pm »
Obedience through fear? Sounds like Russian politics! BAD, clumsy "solution".
Based on your concurrent bleeding heart stories, I could care less what you think.  You have been a success at nothing.  Using "Russian politics" is just a diversion.  Try to keep politics out of a discussion about training cats.  The term pets applies to many animals, but American law as related to them differs by species.   That is, dogs are different than cats.

"You have been a success at nothing."

Would you care to demonstrate a plan to "succeed", like you have? Since you seem so happy and contented in yourself, I'd like to learn how to adapt such a happy, kind demeanour, to make myself endearing to others, as you seem to have perfected it, as I see from your calm, caring manner, the product of inner contentment and peace... please share your "wisdom".  ;) :)

PS: If you could care less, that means that in order to care LESS, you must care at least a little; this is basic logic.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2022, 08:31:54 pm »
With animals, love and kindness ALWAYS work best... and PATIENCE... and if you have none of those, don't have a cat. It's a blessing to you, not a nuisance to be fixed. Patience PAYS OFF.

Any advice for the neighbour's cat that persistently craps on your lawn then?
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2022, 08:36:53 pm »
Any advice for the neighbour's cat that persistently craps on your lawn then?
Yep, look at YT videos, as previously mentioned.  There are no leash laws for cats like there are for dogs.  At least none I am aware of.  There's a reason for that.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2022, 08:46:54 pm »
Any advice for the neighbour's cat that persistently craps on your lawn then?
Yep, look at YT videos, as previously mentioned.  There are no leash laws for cats like there are for dogs.  At least none I am aware of.  There's a reason for that.

... Short of lying in wait all day with the water pistol, or automatically drenching the postman!?
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2022, 08:50:45 pm »
Any advice for the neighbour's cat that persistently craps on your lawn then?

Cats hate citrus, lemon or orange oil scents will typically repel them, and the Scat Cat things I mentioned work well, though they're not meant to be outdoors in the weather. It's unusual for a cat to poop on a lawn, normally they bury their waste.
 
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2022, 09:34:45 pm »
I remember reading somewhere about cameras+AI(RPi)* guarded lawn against cats(toilet) with targeted sprinklers....
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2022, 09:42:28 pm »
With animals, love and kindness ALWAYS work best... and PATIENCE... and if you have none of those, don't have a cat. It's a blessing to you, not a nuisance to be fixed. Patience PAYS OFF.
I can see you have no clue you are talking about and you do not have a cat. You can be patient until cows come home but cats will use for toilet whatever place they consider should be their toilet.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2022, 10:08:00 pm »
I remember reading somewhere about cameras+AI(RPi)* guarded lawn against cats(toilet) with targeted sprinklers....
*Nvidia researcher, IIRC
Make such system to scare raccoons off and you will be a millionare. Cats are nothing compare to damage raccoons do to people lawns and backyards.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2022, 10:11:28 pm »
I can see you have no clue you are talking about and you do not have a cat. You can be patient until cows come home but cats will use for toilet whatever place they consider should be their toilet.

I've had cats my whole life and for the most part I haven't found that to be the case. If you provide them with a suitable box and keep it clean they will normally use it.
 
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2022, 10:17:42 pm »
With animals, love and kindness ALWAYS work best... and PATIENCE... and if you have none of those, don't have a cat. It's a blessing to you, not a nuisance to be fixed. Patience PAYS OFF.
I can see you have no clue you are talking about and you do not have a cat. You can be patient until cows come home but cats will use for toilet whatever place they consider should be their toilet.

Are you SURE I don't have a cat? What is this then...  https://photos.app.goo.gl/PRGPimvJJ5EWd37y8

Maybe it's a clever animal way of them sending you a message as to what they think of their treatment, by you!  :-DD
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2022, 10:28:09 pm »
"Asking for a friend."

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"coin cell" -> HV coil -> discharge circuit on contact.  Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

Simple test- scale the voltage up to suit your own mass and give it a try on yourself. Let us know how it goes.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2022, 10:29:10 pm »
"Asking for a friend."

 ;D

"coin cell" -> HV coil -> discharge circuit on contact.  Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

Simple test- scale the voltage up to suit your own mass and give it a try on yourself. Let us know how it goes.

He should strap it to his nether regions! ;) - write a keylogger on an Arduino which detects when he's writing dumb posts, and sends the electrical punishment multiple times.... and then, a few weeks in, he can assess as to whether it's a good idea for the INNOCENT cat, which is just being a cat, and unable to "be bad". People are SO STUPID...
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2022, 10:32:39 pm »
Any advice for the neighbour's cat that persistently craps on your lawn then?

Cats hate citrus, lemon or orange oil scents will typically repel them, and the Scat Cat things I mentioned work well, though they're not meant to be outdoors in the weather. It's unusual for a cat to poop on a lawn, normally they bury their waste.

Clearly a dumb and particularly lazy / vindictive cat then.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2022, 10:35:00 pm »
Any advice for the neighbour's cat that persistently craps on your lawn then?

Cats hate citrus, lemon or orange oil scents will typically repel them, and the Scat Cat things I mentioned work well, though they're not meant to be outdoors in the weather. It's unusual for a cat to poop on a lawn, normally they bury their waste.

Clearly a dumb and particularly lazy / vindictive cat then.

Animals' behaviour is VERY often a product of how they are treated. Occam's razor, no?
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2022, 10:40:40 pm »
A few things to understand about cats:

They are complex, thoughtful creatures, and they build "grudges" against people they don't like. 

They don't respond well or at all to negative reinforcement.  At most you should tell a cat 'no' when it does something wrong or move it away.

Shocking a creature like a cat is immoral when the sole purpose is to protect something material to you.  You shouldn't own a cat if you intend to treat it like this.
 
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