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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2022, 11:45:01 pm »
Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

Trim kitty's claws LOL.  :-//
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2022, 11:52:22 pm »
its like letting your cat go to the gym ::)

they probobly prevent sprains and stuff doing that kind of exercise
 
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2022, 02:20:28 am »
If a cat keeps scratching inappropriate things, give them their own stuff to scratch. I have those cardboard scratchers sitting in strategic locations near furniture and such. My cats almost always prefer to scratch the scratchers rather than improvising on carpet and furniture. Mine are also indoor only so I trip their toenails regularly.
 
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2022, 02:27:43 am »
"Asking for a friend."

 ;D

"coin cell" -> HV coil -> discharge circuit on contact.  Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

No, you horrible person!  Get some OLD carpet and try to put it in the place where it happens, but let the cat do what it NEEDS TO DO. Some people need to wise up about their pets, or give the pet to someone loving and responsible. It's not a HORSE, it's a tiny, sensitive creature. Can we make one for you, too, and zap YOU?  :P

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2022, 03:10:37 am »
"Asking for a friend."

 ;D

"coin cell" -> HV coil -> discharge circuit on contact.  Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

No, you horrible person!  Get some OLD carpet and try to put it in the place where it happens, but let the cat do what it NEEDS TO DO. Some people need to wise up about their pets, or give the pet to someone loving and responsible. It's not a HORSE, it's a tiny, sensitive creature. Can we make one for you, too, and zap YOU?  :P

Source: m.youtube.com/c/howridiculous/videos

I like that channel. That was already in my “Watch later” list. I’m pretty sure that swatter would take care of the OP 🤣😂
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2022, 11:36:16 am »
Firstly it was tongue in cheek!  I have no intent to shock my cat!

Second I'm 47 I've had cats and dogs my whole like.  Angel my cat I have had since when she could barely pee herself, couldn't see and spent the entire day of office work either up my jumper or wrapping herself around my thigh for the body heat she would die without.

So I am her mum/dad.

On the carpet.  She knows exactly what she is doing and she knows I know too.  It is done deliberately as a way of getting my attention when she wants something.

Cats have no altruism.  Cats have no empathy.  Cats are born psychopathic narcissists. If a cat wants something, it has zero understanding, will or care about how that impacts any thing or anyone else.  There is no reasoning with a cat for that reason.  They don't care.

All you can do is either provide or deny , or ideally both.  ie.  "Don't shit on the floor", "Here, shit here instead".

I have bought her a whole cat tree with has 3 scratch posts.  When I show her to use those, she looks at me as much to say, "No, they don't annoy you."

So she knows 100% if she starts pulling piles out of that carpet it WILL get my attention and when I get up, to shoo her, in her mind that is 90% of the battle won, I'm up, I'm coming for her, so if she makes it to the kitchen, I might as well let her out!  Which is what she wanted.

The plant watering spray gun has been deployed recently.  This was successful initially when Angel favouring coming into the office and literally taping me on the fore arm.  However it quickly broke down again into a kind of game with her plucking the carpet just to get a reaction out of me then scarpering off and hiding only to return and repeat.  I esculated such that she knew it was NOT a game.  I followed her, found her and she looked at me with an "Uh oh..." expression and I shot her directly in the face.

Following that she was actually very apologetic and affectionate towards me.  I think she got the message, realised it was me was her source of food and not to burn bridges with me and anger me as a game.

Annoyingly though.... once she was brought in last night she continually made demands to be let out again.  "No.  It's dark.  You never keep the colars I give you, so you can't get out, you'll get hit by a car.".  She persisted and persisted.  I ignored her.

Anyway, you will have a laugh, as my post, intended only in fun mind was made after a repeated attempt on the carpet to get my attention.

Later when I went to bed I found out why.  She had actually been telling me she needed out to be sick.  There was a lovely pile of cat vomit on the floor, right were I put my feet in the morning.  Angel was sitting with a satisfied expression like, "Well, I did try and get you let me out!"
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2022, 12:18:59 pm »

So she knows 100% if she starts pulling piles out of that carpet it WILL get my attention and when I get up, to shoo her, in her mind that is 90% of the battle won, I'm up, I'm coming for her, so if she makes it to the kitchen, I might as well let her out!  Which is what she wanted.

Put down plastic film on the carpet (or anywhere) where scratching is occurring - kitty does not like to touch it -

https://www.amazon.com/Zip-Up-Products-Carpet-Protection-Film/dp/B075QW5J7B/ref=sr_1_2?crid=19F8EDBWQA8M0&keywords=carpet+film&qid=1668255418&sprefix=carpet+film%2Caps%2C131&sr=8-2
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2022, 12:30:43 pm »
On things like citrus etc.

I have tried, dried citric acid spilt on the carpet.  I have tried chilli spilt on the carpet.  It doesn't deter her.  She is not plucking the carpet out of some instinctive claw sharpening ritual, she is doing it solely because it pisses me off and thus gets my attention.

I'm going to go back to reinforcing a negative outcome on the plucking by use of the water spray.  I will also continue to positively reinforce of her tapping me on the elbow in that I will pay her attention and if I can I will let her out/feed her.

I more "humane" technique I considered was a "noise maker".  Cat's HATE low frequency vibration, but alas they take quite a bit of power to produce and aren't much fun for humans.  It has to be something that will scare her, if it's just a noise under the carpet, she WILL have that carpet up and the potential mouse out and torn to ribbons within 20 minutes.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2022, 06:25:36 pm »


🤣🤣

OP will be getting the last part of that if he builds such a device, and maybe not from a feline. 
 
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2022, 06:56:27 pm »
You sound as if you think you’re a cat psychologist, in which case we might ask why you asked the question in the first place.

“Cats have no empathy”; and you know this, how…….?

Etc.

Oh for god sake give over.  Go be bitter to someone else.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2022, 09:52:00 pm »
To answer the original question: an electric fly swatter is unlikely to inflict a serious injury on a cat. I confess, when I was a child I pulled the piezo igniter out of a BBQ and zapped a few flies dead. I'm ashamed to say, decided to zap the cat, which didn't go down well, but no harm was done to the cat, but it did result in a minor injury to my hand, which was well deserved. Needless to say, I didn't do it again. I have zapped my finger with a fly swatter and it's a little stronger than a piezo, but not too bad.

From a moral perspective: no, don't do it. You could try old carpet, as mentioned above. An repellent might also work.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2022, 12:42:52 am »
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2022, 12:44:21 am »
"Asking for a friend."

 ;D

"coin cell" -> HV coil -> discharge circuit on contact.  Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

Simple test- scale the voltage up to suit your own mass and give it a try on yourself. Let us know how it goes.

I reckon if you do it to yourself once you won't do it again. Clearly, the process would work  :-DD
 
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2022, 01:04:46 am »
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I simply want signs that this is a foolhardy post, and mistake, and a dampening down of the sarcasm and defensive behaviour,

The way you've been going on, one would be tempted to be more convincing that it's serious.

If you have a problem with posts, just report them to the appropriate authority (Dave, your government, whoever you think best) and leave the detective work to them. If it really is important they can get far more data about someone than you, and they won't give a shit about their online reputation afterwards.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2022, 01:38:39 am »
Firstly it was tongue in cheek!  I have no intent to shock my cat!

Second I'm 47 I've had cats and dogs my whole like.  Angel my cat I have had since when she could barely pee herself, couldn't see and spent the entire day of office work either up my jumper or wrapping herself around my thigh for the body heat she would die without.

So I am her mum/dad.

On the carpet.  She knows exactly what she is doing and she knows I know too.  It is done deliberately as a way of getting my attention when she wants something.

Cats have no altruism.  Cats have no empathy.  Cats are born psychopathic narcissists. If a cat wants something, it has zero understanding, will or care about how that impacts any thing or anyone else.  There is no reasoning with a cat for that reason.  They don't care.

All you can do is either provide or deny , or ideally both.  ie.  "Don't shit on the floor", "Here, shit here instead".

I have bought her a whole cat tree with has 3 scratch posts.  When I show her to use those, she looks at me as much to say, "No, they don't annoy you."

So she knows 100% if she starts pulling piles out of that carpet it WILL get my attention and when I get up, to shoo her, in her mind that is 90% of the battle won, I'm up, I'm coming for her, so if she makes it to the kitchen, I might as well let her out!  Which is what she wanted.

The plant watering spray gun has been deployed recently.  This was successful initially when Angel favouring coming into the office and literally taping me on the fore arm.  However it quickly broke down again into a kind of game with her plucking the carpet just to get a reaction out of me then scarpering off and hiding only to return and repeat.  I esculated such that she knew it was NOT a game.  I followed her, found her and she looked at me with an "Uh oh..." expression and I shot her directly in the face.

Following that she was actually very apologetic and affectionate towards me.  I think she got the message, realised it was me was her source of food and not to burn bridges with me and anger me as a game.

Annoyingly though.... once she was brought in last night she continually made demands to be let out again.  "No.  It's dark.  You never keep the colars I give you, so you can't get out, you'll get hit by a car.".  She persisted and persisted.  I ignored her.

Anyway, you will have a laugh, as my post, intended only in fun mind was made after a repeated attempt on the carpet to get my attention.

Later when I went to bed I found out why.  She had actually been telling me she needed out to be sick.  There was a lovely pile of cat vomit on the floor, right were I put my feet in the morning.  Angel was sitting with a satisfied expression like, "Well, I did try and get you let me out!"

"Firstly it was tongue in cheek!  I have no intent to shock my cat!"

I've just read this again, carefully, and I want to say I am sorry for going off and taking you literally. I am sure you won't, and wouldn't harm your dear kitty. Please forgive me jumping the gun - I am VERY much averse to cruelty of any kind, you can see that, esp when animals are defenceless little things.

I'll delete the rest of my posts just prior to this one, as they serve no purpose and look like I was being vindictive, I wish you all the best, maybe you can make a cat cartoon series like "Henry's Cat" :)
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2022, 01:53:35 am »
Whatever the case, water or compressed air is probably equally distasteful to cats as electric shocks and both are far less likely to cause actual injury or pain to the creature. Many cats are also terrified of hobby servos, I have no idea why. Mine ignore them now but a few years go when they were younger when I was setting up an airplane or even just testing a servo my cats would scatter the first time a servo moved.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2022, 01:56:57 am »
Whatever the case, water or compressed air is probably equally distasteful to cats as electric shocks and both are far less likely to cause actual injury or pain to the creature. Many cats are also terrified of hobby servos, I have no idea why. Mine ignore them now but a few years go when they were younger when I was setting up an airplane or even just testing a servo my cats would scatter the first time a servo moved.
I find that cuddling my cat for a long time and showing her affection, seems to keep her VERY contented. I can't help what frightens her, but I'd never deliberately do so. It's a test of one's character to react in a positive, loving way. If I see her scared, I wouldn't DREAM of intentionally doing it.
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2022, 04:48:07 am »
I truly hope the opening poster doesn’t get to see his cat getting so old, having vestibular problems, having what appears to be a fit and out of control unable to walk for a few minutes…. I think it might wake you up
 

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2022, 06:12:20 am »
"Asking for a friend."

 ;D

"coin cell" -> HV coil -> discharge circuit on contact.  Cat<>Carpet zone prone to "plucking out the pile".

Simple test- scale the voltage up to suit your own mass and give it a try on yourself. Let us know how it goes.

I reckon if you do it to yourself once you won't do it again. Clearly, the process would work  :-DD

There is someone addicted to it  :-DD  ELECTROBOOM  :-DD

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2022, 10:31:55 am »
I am one of those people if you had me a Piezo electric lighter circuit or a fly swap racket... I am going to test it on myself.  I have tested everyone I've come across.

I'm not going to test one of the wall mounted UV setups in food outlets  or butchers shops!

The one thing I have never got the balls to test is a piezo electric cigarette ignitor circuit.... to the tongue.  Just... no.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2022, 10:39:24 am »
I find that cuddling my cat for a long time and showing her affection, seems to keep her VERY contented. I can't help what frightens her, but I'd never deliberately do so. It's a test of one's character to react in a positive, loving way. If I see her scared, I wouldn't DREAM of intentionally doing it.

My cat is more like a teenager when granny tried to hug and kiss.  It's a love hate thing.  You can tell she likes it and if you can get her to close her eyes and you stay really still you can get her to forget that she also hates it.  Usually however, she stares off with an expression exactly like a grumpy teenager and "puts up" with the cuddle temporarily.

It's not that she doesn't like me.  After a short unwelcome cuddle she was dart away, then immediately come back and sit beside me, just out of arms reach.  She will follow me around the house to be with me.  She, on her terms, will approach me for kisses on the head and a little head to head rub.  She squeaks, trills and meows at me in affection.  Try to pick her up and she resists.  The only time she wasn't annoyed at being picked up and cuddled is when she came in soaking wet and shivering and I wrapped her in a towel on my lap for 5 minutes.  She accepted that and gave me a nose to nose kiss when she was partly dried enough to go wash the rest off.

She has a bit of feral in her I'm sure.

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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2022, 11:20:11 am »
I have followed this thread and as a “cat man” and guardian to four very friendly and gorgeous cats I thought I would share something I heard whilst at the Vets the other day……..

A lady was describing how her cat did naughty things and she was trying to stop that behaviour. She told the Vet that she tried shouting, throwing soft things and spraying water but none worked. The Vet said that the Veterinary community does not recommend or support anything that shocks the cat as it is ineffective yet causes mental trauma.They explained that a cat does not always associate what it sees as an act of hostility from someone it trusts with an action that it committed to instigate that response. The human act then becomes an act of mental cruelty against the cat ! This is even more the case if the cat is punished after the act that it committed as its mind does not connect the two events. This may be just a cat things as other species may be trained to not do things by providing a disincentive to incorrect behaviour.

One of our cats has us trained…. If he wants something, he either PRETENDS or scratch the corner of our Hi-Fi cabinet or he jumps on top of the Hi-Fi and watches us …. If he gets no reaction (us getting up to see what he wants) he jumps onto the mantelpiece above the fire where the expensive Lladro figurines reside ! He definitely gets our attention then ! It is often that he wants biscuits or to be let out if we have closed the conservatory door. On other occasions it is to tell us that another cat is in his favourite snoozing spot or has pushed him out of his food bowl ! We have yet to find a way to dissuade Bailey from this controlling action and sadly the other cats are starting to learn about its effectiveness from watching him ! Billy has started scratching the carpet when he wants something but he is less manipulative than Bailey.

Cats are highly developed hunters who expect to get what they want. It is very hard to change that view in a cat and, as the vet suggested, it is all too easy to take action against a cat that is actually harmful and considered cruel in the eyes of those who are expert in cat behaviour. If anyone has a non cruel way to dissuade a cat from doing whatever it wants to do, please let me know.

One thing the vet tells me often is that I humanise our cats when they go for operations etc which is fine. But it is also a problem if you apply a humans thought processes to a cat when considering responses to stimuli. From a cats point of view, it often feels safe and contented in the company of its guardian…doing something to such a cat that it does not like can confuse and traumatise it as it does not understand your actions ! In its eyes, you have betrayed its trust.

Just some food for thought.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2022, 11:39:05 am »
A thing I have found is that your "punishment" action can very quickly be turned into a game by the cat.

The are typically singular, territorial, anti-social blood thirsty predators.  We do tend to humanize them, but you can take the cat away from it's hunting grounds, but you will never take the hunter out of the cat.  In that regard, being indoors leads to boredom for the cat.  There is only so much "Cat TV" they can watch out the window before they get bored.  Kittens and young cats (like mine) especially.  They want the chase, the stalking, the pounce.  So... when they get bored they look for other things to amuse them.

This is where it gets to where I am.  I am the toy.  She knows exactly which buttons to push and when.

This morning was an example.  I switched the Sunday 10am alarm off and went back to sleep... or so I thought.  But... no.  Angel said she wanted me to get up, she wanted out.  She plucked at the carpet and I "Pisssssshhhed!" her.  I almost got to sleep and ... she started plucking the bed frame.  "CAT PLEASE!" and again I nearly got off to sleep.   SCRATCH, SCRATCH.... she was on the bed beside me, plucking at the headboard beside my head.  As soon as I opened my eyes she bolted.  I sat up in bed and she was sitting there on the floor staring at me, tail warpped around her front paws looking pleased with herself.  She got what she wanted, I was up.

She gave me our signal of "content" and "peace" by closing her eyes momentarily so signal to me that I am not considered a threat and she can take her eyes off me.  I returned the gesture.  (This is cat speak I picked up.  We often use it to de-esculate a play fight.  If both of us are wide eyed, fight is still on.  If one of us retreats and makes the lazy blink gesture, fights off.).

I got up, I let her out.  Going for my second coffee she came in, all thankful, rubbing her self against my legs, jumping up on the kitchen counter to get nearer to eye level for a kiss.

I just need to find a way to get out from under her control.... without zapping her.
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Re: Is a "Fly swatter" circuit appropriate for a cat?
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2022, 11:43:30 am »
On negative stimulous.  The reason she doesn't, like a lot of cats would, play with my feet or toes...  I have a particularly violent response to feet tickles.  She learnt that the hardway when she was a kitten when I involuntarily propelled her through the air one evening after a random attack on my bare feet.  Just a reaction to being "tickled", I kicked out.  Cat went airborne landing in the corner of the room and I think at that moment she decided not to attack my feet again.  In fact she has a far more affectionate relationship with my feet.  She will spend ages rubbing herself on them and if I put my hand down to stroke her she steps away, like I've interrupted the lovers.
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