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Is Google Australia Right or Wrong?
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BravoV:

--- Quote from: ataradov on August 21, 2020, 05:17:47 am ---They are not giving it away. Google's argument is that they provide a valuable service by bringing in search traffic. And it seems like that argument holds.

And individual outlets are already free to block the google bot. It does not hide, it identifies itself. But they don't want to, since everyone else will just get more traffic. So clearly they realize Google's importance.

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+1

Its an opportunistic move or bluff, if Google bites the bait, yay ... profit, if not, then nothing to loose either, and quietly pull off the bait.  And then later just shrug off telling self .. "at least we tried, nothing to loose.."
coppice:

--- Quote from: tooki on August 21, 2020, 05:32:53 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on August 19, 2020, 02:32:36 am ---
--- Quote from: Bud on August 19, 2020, 02:28:42 am ---Since when Traditional media means web ? Traditional media is hard print, i would love to have my Traditional media back, delivered to my house mailbox.

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The traditional print media that is still around is mostly consumed via the web these days, but its still the same only media companies. They just abandoned any connection to honest reporting, and can no longer afford to investigate anything.

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That’s only true to some extent. Newspapers, which traditionally formed the foundation of news collecting and investigative journalism, have undergone tremendous consolidation over the past 50 years or so, but highly accelerated since the web took off. Local newspapers mostly used to be independent, now they’re almost all owned by a handful of companies who’ve gutted them.

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London had pretty much a local newspaper per borough when I was a kid, paid for, and filled with editorial. Then those newspapers gave way to free newspapers which were 98% advertising, and maybe a page of editorial about local events. Now they have gone. I think this trend is common to most places. A lot of media has consolidated, but the tendency with local newspapers has been for them to disappear.
VK3DRB:

--- Quote from: vk6zgo on August 21, 2020, 05:09:18 am ---
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on August 21, 2020, 03:28:44 am ---When Google starts paying their fair share of tax in Australia, I will start listening to them.

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Though, in fairness, the "traditional news media" pay as little as they can get away  with, as well.
They do, however, employ people in Australia, --- how many do Google employ?

If I could go in & take McDonald's burgers, go back to my place & either sell them, or hand them out, Macca's would get a bit stroppy.

Maybe the Oz media's product includes a lot of "nothingburgers", but it is their product, why should they have to give it away, free to a company which does very little in return?

My rule is pretty much "getting your news off the Internet is like getting your nutrients from roadkill".

I find that the actual News segments on TV are reasonable ----- there isn't a lot of time for journalists to conspire with flinty eyed agents of the Kremlin, Wall Street, the Iluminati, the Lizard people, or whatever, given the time constraints they work under.

When I worked for CH7, I noticed they got things right with a couple of hours to do it in, more often the local (then Murdoch)  Sunday paper which had all week!

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Good point. One thing I have noticed is many years ago Ch7, Ch9, Ch0 and Ch2 all had news services with a lot of independent news, much of it created by the journalists who were employed by those stations and the rest from different international news sources and syndicates. Remember Sunday Magazine after the news?

These days, if I watch SBS and then the ABC news is a lot of the same stuff regurgitated. Local ABC has more Victorian stuff, but so much is the same, even the sequence of the reports are the same. Mind you Mary, Tamara and Janice are great news readers and pleasing to the eye to be honest.

It is of concern the same stuff is appearing all over the place and there are few sources of news. I am sure a lot of the journos these days just surf the internet. Single source of news is Orwellian. We all know 1984 is well and truly embedded in the so-called "People's" Republic of China, but I fear to some extent it is here in the West as well.
VK3DRB:
There are a few newsworthy items that never see the light of day. When some of Isaac Newton's documents with calculations were made public amidst huge fanfare, I decided to examine some of them in detail when I discovered a subtle mistake he made in an equation. Definite error. I search the Internet to see if anyone had found it - nothing. I alerted the media, but it was clear they could not give a hoot. :-// Maybe it was not newsworthy but I wanted to point out even great geniuses make mistakes. (He also got burned in the Dutch Tulip ponzi scheme.)
eti:
Google is ALWAYS wrong about everything, by default, no research needed on my part to know that. They're an exceptionally cavalier, arrogant company with no focus on improving their "products", and seem to throw caution to the wind with great regularity, and with no respect for data privacy.

Oh, and they deemed Android a worthy design choice for a phone platform, replete with all the ghastly, idiotic choices they have made with regard to its distribution and dilution (and it's utterly retarded version of Java, which everyone crows "bbbbut it's Open Source!" [no it is NOT! Only some parts, who cares!]) Funny, Android has had annual "promises" and cutesy "projects" which perpetually "promise" improvement, which they crow about to no end, and yet it's still an absolute joke.

So my answer is YES, they're wrong merely by virtue of their existence, and also their lack of moral ethics.
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