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Is Google Australia Right or Wrong?
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Muku:
Everyone just bashes google because they are giant company. But i would support google and YouTube over traditional media giants any day. Traditional media companies don't bring any value to the table and have zero credibility these days.  Where as google as big as it may be and sell our data to advertiser but I can live with that. At least they provide valuable service that I actually use in exchange for my data. I feel like that is a symbiotic relationship I can live with. I am from a small country and education system here is not really good. You don't really learn much in class. And for a shy slow learner like me it was a disaster. I failed 4 subjects in my first semester in engineering school, my teachers didn't know what they were teaching and I didn't know what I was learning. In 2013 I requested my parents to install a internet connection. It was an ADSL connection speed was 512kbps. It was expensive but it was worth it. I learned everything about electronics almost exclusively from the internet and mostly it was YouTube. I got introduced to EEVlog, mikeselectricstuff, Applied Science, MITopencourseware etc. I passed my 1st semester physics thanks to Dr. Walter Lewin. I took math class on Khan Academy. I can't even thank YouTube enough for how much they have changed my life.
I would happily provide google with printouts of my browser history if that is what it would take to get YouTube and Google search for free from tomorrow. I get much more value in exchange for data that is valueless to me. You are never going to find the type of content you find on YouTube for free even if you wanted to pay for it, that is a fact.
I don't know about others and I don't know about the future but at the present I am OK with google.

I mean think about it, none of us would be here if it was not for YouTube.
Muku:

--- Quote from: eti on August 21, 2020, 11:56:44 pm ---Google is ALWAYS wrong about everything, by default, no research needed on my part to know that. They're an exceptionally cavalier, arrogant company with no focus on improving their "products", and seem to throw caution to the wind with great regularity, and with no respect for data privacy.

Oh, and they deemed Android a worthy design choice for a phone platform, replete with all the ghastly, idiotic choices they have made with regard to its distribution and dilution (and it's utterly retarded version of Java, which everyone crows "bbbbut it's Open Source!" [no it is NOT! Only some parts, who cares!]) Funny, Android has had annual "promises" and cutesy "projects" which perpetually "promise" improvement, which they crow about to no end, and yet it's still an absolute joke.

So my answer is YES, they're wrong merely by virtue of their existence, and also their lack of moral ethics.

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Android is not perfect but it is a product that millions of people use everyday and has made smartphone accessible to people who wouldn't dream of buying an apple. I would go as far as to say android is revolutionary. I guess people in the west have fairly high standards for smartphone os than people here but I have 2 android phones that I absolutely love. Great UI, fast, works like a charm, don't have to pay a dime to write my own apps,  love it.
Kean:

--- Quote from: Muku on August 27, 2020, 06:07:34 pm ---I mean think about it, none of us would be here if it was not for YouTube.

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Well to be precise, it is primarily because of the creators that contribute videos.  Youtube provide a service to assist with distributing those videos.  If Youtube wasn't around to do it, others would be.

Similarly, Google search results rely on creators like news media organisations to create content so that Google can index it and help you find it.  I'll let you decide how much Google is contributing vs the news media organisations.
wraper:

--- Quote from: Kean on August 27, 2020, 06:22:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Muku on August 27, 2020, 06:07:34 pm ---I mean think about it, none of us would be here if it was not for YouTube.

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Well to be precise, it is primarily because of the creators that contribute videos.  Youtube provide a service to assist with distributing those videos.  If Youtube wasn't around to do it, others would be.

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Where are the others? After buying youtube, it took google many years to figure out how to make any profit from it. Youtube needs to host a huge amount of data with humongous traffic being an understatement. By no way it is trivial and needs huge investment.

--- Quote ---Similarly, Google search results rely on creators like news media organisations to create content so that Google can index it and help you find it.  I'll let you decide how much Google is contributing vs the news media organisations
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How about those countries which made laws lobbied by news consortiums that google news needs to pay news organizations for news snippets. Result was either google news shut down altogether like in Spain. Which resulted in decreased traffic to news websites. Or news organizations now opting in for free after getting the "win" in other places. So who needs who?
Muku:

--- Quote from: Kean on August 27, 2020, 06:22:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Muku on August 27, 2020, 06:07:34 pm ---I mean think about it, none of us would be here if it was not for YouTube.

--- End quote ---

Well to be precise, it is primarily because of the creators that contribute videos.  YouTube provide a service to assist with distributing those videos.  If YouTube wasn't around to do it, others would be.

Similarly, Google search results rely on creators like news media organisations to create content so that Google can index it and help you find it.  I'll let you decide how much Google is contributing vs the news media organisations.

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We have all see other video platforms and we all know why they are not as popular as YouTube. They suck. YouTube  is not perfect I admit but they are way better than others and they should certainly get the credit for that. Creators and YouTube are like chicken and egg, if we argue about which is more important than we will be here all day. Good creators create content on YouTube because YouTube provides better platform, which in turn keeps YouTube a better platform. We all know what kind of content News media organizations create.  :-DD Its laughable. Google contributes a lot more that the news medias. Google doesn't just give me news. Google is a lot more that news. Weather you like it or not, google is a way of life. They achieved this status because they are actually useful. People use google for almost everything. Even if giant media organisation vanished tomorrow, there wouldn't be much of a crisis. There is enough small genuine content creators on the internet that it wouldn't really matter. You would still be able to get your local news. But if google vanished tomorrow, everyone certainly would be panicking.
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