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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2016, 01:04:00 am »
Is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed? can electromagnetic radiation from the charger itself can be bad for you? can radiation from your phone be bad for you?

IMHO, no.

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2016, 02:25:50 am »
Safe to say I am not a radiation expert. EM radiation is nothing harmful since it really doesn't do anything aside from induce a very small current in conductive objects.

OK, let's put you straight on something:

Sunlight is EM radiation. It causes sunburn, skin damage and potentially cancer.

X-rays are EM radiation. They can cause irreparable tissue damage and the effect is cumulative.

Gamma rays are EM radiation.  They can cause radiation sickness and death.

The microwaves in your oven are EM radiation. They can cause burns and tissue damage, which is why it is important not to mess with microwave ovens if you don't know what you are doing. Also why it is a good idea not to get too close to a radar emitter.

It is very difficult to generalize in the way you tried to do. There are many variables, and many ways a general statement can be false.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2016, 04:39:52 am »
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Frequencies below light can't cause direct cell mutation,

i'm sure your neighbors have quite a few microwave ovens for you to prove otherwise, with the cooperation of your hands.

I simply said mircowaves cause burns, not cancerous mutations, hence the use of the word "mutation" and not "damage". :palm: Any frequency above visable light can most certainly mutate DNA, but that's what sunscreen and warning signs are for.

Like I said, you will feel harmful waves below the frequency of light, so you don't have to worry about "those nasty E.M. waves everywhere" unless you currently feel a burning sensation.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2016, 05:52:43 am »
Unless you have a Galaxy Note 7, no it's not dangerous.
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2016, 05:57:09 am »
Safe to say I am not a radiation expert. EM radiation is nothing harmful since it really doesn't do anything aside from induce a very small current in conductive objects.

OK, let's put you straight on something:

Sunlight is EM radiation. It causes sunburn, skin damage and potentially cancer.

X-rays are EM radiation. They can cause irreparable tissue damage and the effect is cumulative.

Gamma rays are EM radiation.  They can cause radiation sickness and death.

The microwaves in your oven are EM radiation. They can cause burns and tissue damage, which is why it is important not to mess with microwave ovens if you don't know what you are doing. Also why it is a good idea not to get too close to a radar emitter.

It is very difficult to generalize in the way you tried to do. There are many variables, and many ways a general statement can be false.

Safe to say I'm not a radiation expert. I thought it was something else.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2016, 07:07:18 am »
There is currently no accepted scientific evidence that celphone radiation levels are harmful.

Note that this is not the same as a blanket statement that cellphones are 100% safe and zero harm will be causes by having one near you for your liftspan.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2016, 07:16:24 am »
Think of it like this:
Smoking was considered healthy once.

And:
In most of the previous 10,000 years we didn't use or carry transmitters.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2016, 07:31:43 am »
If you *DON'T* keep it right next to your bed, on your person at home or in your pocket when out and about, the inverse square law will be in your favour *IF* future studies find a reproducible correlation between RF exposure from cellphones and any medical condition.

Outgassing of plasticisers from its case is probably at least as much a hazard as RF exposure . . . .
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2016, 07:42:12 am »
Is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed? can electromagnetic radiation from the charger itself can be bad for you? can radiation from your phone be bad for you?

Chargers - no. Mobile phones (while emitting) - yes.
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2016, 09:09:13 am »
world's oldest electronics hobbyist is above 100 years old and still going. Perhaps a dose of emf could be healthy :P
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2016, 10:56:42 am »

and it is dangerous to simply lye in bed;
This cannot be repeated strongly enough. Do not use lye in your bed. If you need to employ that stuff do it in a proper, well-ventilated work area and wear safety gear.
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2016, 11:00:05 am »
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world's oldest electronics hobbyist is above 100 years old and still going. Perhaps a dose of emf could be healthy :P

World's oldest smoker is also over 100 years old and still going strong. Perhaps daily doses of smoking is healthy too? :)
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2016, 11:02:55 am »

and it is dangerous to simply lye in bed;
This cannot be repeated strongly enough. Do not use lye in your bed. If you need to employ that stuff do it in a proper, well-ventilated work area and wear safety gear.
Lol!

As mentioned above, the battery catching fire is always a possibility. Another thing is any electrical appliance, plugged into the mains, is dangerous if the power line is struck by lightning: the voltage will be so high, it can spark towards you and shock you.
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2016, 11:25:15 am »
One other thing not mentioned yet is noise. Some chargers emit a head-splitting high-pitched noise when the battery is full or no phone is connected. I prefer to keep those ones in an area where they don't disturb my sleep.
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2016, 11:32:19 am »
The biggest problem is dickhead owners using their mobile phones in earshot of the public.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2016, 12:10:30 pm »
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Thanks, the reason why I created this thread is because today in school my electronic teacher told this bullshit that it is dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed because of radiation.
I knew this is bullshit instantly because I remember researching this a few years ago but he is electrical engineer and have many more "awards" so I don't want to argue with him.
Electronic teacher, are you kidding?
The energy of the radiation of your phone is simply way to low. Any teacher/professor should know that!
If they don't you can't even take them seriously
This is basics physics.


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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2016, 12:20:20 pm »
Frequencies below light can't cause direct cell mutation, has to be UV or above. The only harm they can cause are burns, if you can't feel the energy, you are 100% safe from radio waves below light. The heat you feel from a fire is IR radiation and that has a way higher energy level than any portable electronics and yet you don't get disease from it.

Yes, a large transmitter can cause serious radiation burns (Never stand in front of high power radar), but you won't get cancer from it.
This is bullsh*t.
They use focued IR for cancer threadment. This is even beneath the skin. They heat up cells just a bit higher than body temp. (I believe around 42-45 degrees C). This damages the cancer cells and will be gone if you repeat this process.
The reason why they need to bundle the heat (pretty precisly) is that healthy cells can be damaged as well, and even transform into cancer cells.
From previous experience and lectures in my study I can tell you, you will barely notice any difference. But heating cels long enough, is enough to get bad mutations (on the long run).

Next law of physics also tells us that it's all about the energy. So saying that lower frequencies can't cause any harm is incorrect. It all has to do with energy and duration.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2016, 12:40:57 pm »
EM radiation below ionising frequency is extremely safe (burns excepted), recent advances in cancer formation have led to some subtle concerns in the potential role of Heat Shock Proteins in mobile phone EMR. if you follow this 'illogically' should should be far more worried about your radiative bar heater than the mobile phone as the heater has much higher frequency and power levels.

The strongest evidence comes from epidemiology in that in the last 30 years or so the use of mobiles has skyrocketed yet no cancer has followed this trend.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2016, 12:52:26 pm »
Frequencies below light can't cause direct cell mutation, has to be UV or above. The only harm they can cause are burns, if you can't feel the energy, you are 100% safe from radio waves below light. The heat you feel from a fire is IR radiation and that has a way higher energy level than any portable electronics and yet you don't get disease from it.

Yes, a large transmitter can cause serious radiation burns (Never stand in front of high power radar), but you won't get cancer from it.
This is bullsh*t.
They use focued IR for cancer threadment. This is even beneath the skin. They heat up cells just a bit higher than body temp. (I believe around 42-45 degrees C). This damages the cancer cells and will be gone if you repeat this process.
The reason why they need to bundle the heat (pretty precisly) is that healthy cells can be damaged as well, and even transform into cancer cells.
From previous experience and lectures in my study I can tell you, you will barely notice any difference. But heating cels long enough, is enough to get bad mutations (on the long run).

Next law of physics also tells us that it's all about the energy. So saying that lower frequencies can't cause any harm is incorrect. It all has to do with energy and duration.

So what you're saying is if you have cancer and put your phone next to you while you sleep it may cure it :P ?
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2016, 01:57:14 pm »
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Those that can't, teach
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Or become Administrators.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2016, 02:05:34 pm »
Frequencies below light can't cause direct cell mutation, has to be UV or above. The only harm they can cause are burns, if you can't feel the energy, you are 100% safe from radio waves below light. The heat you feel from a fire is IR radiation and that has a way higher energy level than any portable electronics and yet you don't get disease from it.

Yes, a large transmitter can cause serious radiation burns (Never stand in front of high power radar), but you won't get cancer from it.
This is bullsh*t.
They use focued IR for cancer threadment. This is even beneath the skin. They heat up cells just a bit higher than body temp. (I believe around 42-45 degrees C). This damages the cancer cells and will be gone if you repeat this process.
The reason why they need to bundle the heat (pretty precisly) is that healthy cells can be damaged as well, and even transform into cancer cells.
From previous experience and lectures in my study I can tell you, you will barely notice any difference. But heating cels long enough, is enough to get bad mutations (on the long run).

Next law of physics also tells us that it's all about the energy. So saying that lower frequencies can't cause any harm is incorrect. It all has to do with energy and duration.

So what you're saying is if you have cancer and put your phone next to you while you sleep it may cure it :P ?
That's a very random illogical conclusion?  :-//
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2016, 02:13:35 pm »
Thanks, the reason why I created this thread is because today in school my electronic teacher told this bullshit that it is dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed because of radiation.
I knew this is bullshit instantly because I remember researching this a few years ago but he is electrical engineer and have many more "awards" so I don't want to argue with him.
Maybe he was waiting for someone in the class to call out the bullshit...

...alternatively, he could be no more knowledgeable than that Batteriser guy.
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2016, 02:15:48 pm »
Btw, the fact that someone has won 'awards', still doesn't mean they can't talk bullsh*t.
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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2016, 02:34:10 pm »
Frequencies below light can't cause direct cell mutation, has to be UV or above. The only harm they can cause are burns, if you can't feel the energy, you are 100% safe from radio waves below light. The heat you feel from a fire is IR radiation and that has a way higher energy level than any portable electronics and yet you don't get disease from it.

Yes, a large transmitter can cause serious radiation burns (Never stand in front of high power radar), but you won't get cancer from it.
This is bullsh*t.
They use focued IR for cancer threadment. This is even beneath the skin. They heat up cells just a bit higher than body temp. (I believe around 42-45 degrees C). This damages the cancer cells and will be gone if you repeat this process.
The reason why they need to bundle the heat (pretty precisly) is that healthy cells can be damaged as well, and even transform into cancer cells.
From previous experience and lectures in my study I can tell you, you will barely notice any difference. But heating cels long enough, is enough to get bad mutations (on the long run).

Next law of physics also tells us that it's all about the energy. So saying that lower frequencies can't cause any harm is incorrect. It all has to do with energy and duration.
What you're talking about is a thermal process. In theory it doesn't matter where the heat comes from. It could just as easily be ultrasound. As long as the heat is accurately targeted at the cancer cells then it doesn't matter.
 

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Re: is it dangerous to charge your phone next to you in bed?
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2016, 02:42:32 pm »
Frequencies below light can't cause direct cell mutation, has to be UV or above. The only harm they can cause are burns, if you can't feel the energy, you are 100% safe from radio waves below light. The heat you feel from a fire is IR radiation and that has a way higher energy level than any portable electronics and yet you don't get disease from it.

Yes, a large transmitter can cause serious radiation burns (Never stand in front of high power radar), but you won't get cancer from it.
This is bullsh*t.
They use focued IR for cancer threadment. This is even beneath the skin. They heat up cells just a bit higher than body temp. (I believe around 42-45 degrees C). This damages the cancer cells and will be gone if you repeat this process.
The reason why they need to bundle the heat (pretty precisly) is that healthy cells can be damaged as well, and even transform into cancer cells.
From previous experience and lectures in my study I can tell you, you will barely notice any difference. But heating cels long enough, is enough to get bad mutations (on the long run).

Next law of physics also tells us that it's all about the energy. So saying that lower frequencies can't cause any harm is incorrect. It all has to do with energy and duration.
What you're talking about is a thermal process. In theory it doesn't matter where the heat comes from. It could just as easily be ultrasound. As long as the heat is accurately targeted at the cancer cells then it doesn't matter.
I know, but it is very much in line about the kind of radiation we are talking about here.
I was responding on a post that someone was talking about only causing 'burns'. Which isn't true.
At the end it's all about cell mutation and therefore dangerous wild grow.

I find it remarkable that a lot of people are so concerned about cell phones and radiation, while on the other hand eating black burned food.
Which does have clear evidence that it highers the risks of certain types of cancer.
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