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Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
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SparkyFX:
The trap of such discussions is to take the loudest or most popular examples of a certain group for the majority. Such people have always existed, but are barely representative in what they convey.

To make statements or predictions about groups you'd really need something like the average of a set of opinions and then compare it to that average of another group - practically impossible and highly questionable - it's opinions after all, they can change in every context and at any time. It's not as if there was a voting in which decisions were documented at a given time.

Anyway, before assuming agendas where no agendas exist, most of the intransparency Fairtube tries to counter is in my opinion rooted in the former haphazard reaction to some impulse, probably caused by people that never discussed or thought of the larger extent of what regulation they want from Social Media for their woes.
It is understandable that a solution that needs to work for everyone is harder to come by when the reason is only a small part of the whole youtube community and there is only very limited self-moderation/-regulation in place, or a legal problem in the first place. I really have a problem with making the platform the stand-in for the job of the police.
magic:

--- Quote from: SparkyFX on November 22, 2019, 08:07:53 am ---The trap of such discussions is to take the loudest or most popular examples of a certain group for the majority.

To make statements or predictions about groups you'd really need something like the average of a set of opinions and then compare it to that average of another group

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No, because the loudest and most popular are the ones that actually matter while the quiet cattle of "moderates" invariably ends up accepting whatever the radicals want, to avoid rocking the boat. Modern world is run not by voting but by intimidation, "majority matters" is some fantasy of 20th century democrats.

Don't get me wrong, I was raised in Europe so I know this mantra like anyone else. And I have seen it fail over and over again and I'm not burying my head in sand.
Black Phoenix:

--- Quote from: Deodand2014 on November 21, 2019, 11:36:51 pm ---Another rant, best to listen to this with the audio turned off if at work, basically the channel covered model trains, train crashes from films and uploaded a couple of old films. He'd already been pinged for copyright over the train crash videos, but apparently COPPA was the last straw.



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Youtube as what Youtube was is no more. This COOPA is one more nail in the coffin. Youtube is on fault here, well Google because they source of money is ads, so they simply keep doing what they have done until they were discovered and prosecuted.

Have a video that instead of showing your face you are a cute animated character? It's for kids, even if you say that the subject of the topic being discussed is not. FTC will, by the settlement periodically, search Youtube for videos with wrong classification (being for kids when not) and impose fines to the creators.

Change your channel for kids only and say goodbye to ad revenue and metrics recommendations (Rating, Commenting, Sharing, Subscribing, Adding to playlist).



Don't change then incur on a fine and in case you use nor appropriate wording or show something that ad providers don't like and lose monetisation of said video. The said lose monetisation can go as simply stating your own freedom of speech, if it goes against anything or anyone, get a flag, 3 flags and your channel is terminated. 

This as the end is a Win Win for Google. not having to share a slice of the ad pie revenue, increasing their own bottom line. Youtube with Youtube Originals and with the starting of putting in the main page main trending media corporation owned channels (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc) is catering to that kind of media, trying to turn Youtube in one more media corporation with that likes. Said giants see their revenue and number of people who sees their channels disappear day by day. Control the information, say what you want people to know, what people are allowed to know.

Heck even I if I see any TV channel is Discovery Channel, History Channel and NatGeo. If I need entertainment, Youtube or any VOD application. News, I simply search the Internet, or read a newspaper online.

Your freedom of expression ends when you express yourself. Go against the big ones, you are shut up. Say something or reveal something sensible about someone powerful, don't worry, Google will happily change the algorithm to make your own opinion disapear from the Internet or the one being accused will pay gladly to that to happen. Ad providers want a safe place where they can do their own promotion without being accused of supporting ideas who goes against the pack (see Adpocalipse on Youtube).

What creators have to do is simply migrate to another platform or create said platform. But then you have the same as the video Dave talked about Bitchute.
Deodand2014:

--- Quote from: Black Phoenix on November 22, 2019, 08:43:19 am ---Your freedom of expression ends when you express yourself. Go against the big ones, you are shut up. Say something or reveal something sensible about someone powerful, don't worry, Google will happily change the algorithm to make your own opinion disapear from the Internet or the one being accused will pay gladly to that to happen. Ad providers want a safe place where they can do their own promotion without being accused of supporting ideas who goes against the pack (see Adpocalipse on Youtube).

What creators have to do is simply migrate to another platform or create said platform. But then you have the same as the video Dave talked about Bitchute.

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True, after YouTube went after the Pro-Marijuana community on YouTube they upped sticks and created their own version of YouTube, 'WeedTube'. But I'm now seeing claims like the following being bandied around



All I have to say is that I have a small channel and I'm probably going to download all the videos on it tomorrow to make sure they don't get lost.
Black Phoenix:
One more - Youtuber have a channel that is tailored not to kids, posts a video and it's MANUALLY reviewed as kid friendly, even having categorized his channel not for kids and without any video tailored for kids.



Video in question -


See the side bar and recommendations.

Google really wants Youtube to go the way of the Google+, their failed Social Network experiment.
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