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Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
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SparkyFX:

--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on August 04, 2019, 06:16:43 pm ---Sounds like a neat idea but what can a union really do?
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As they stated, they might generally sue based on hidden employee status or unspecific GDPR issues. If that happens they not only sue for their unionized members, but might lead to decisions that affect all. No idea how this might end, because as SiliconWizard said many creators upload to different platforms, YT just pays most i guess. This is a bit a hen or egg problem, because a small platform does not have a business model that allows for the problem (creators depend financially on a platform and its TOS) to exist in the first place.


--- Quote ---What needs to happen is an alternative, ideally one not owned by a megacorporation with a capitalist agenda.  The odds of that happening is slim though... the costs of running something like that is crazy.      I could maybe see Amazon or Microsoft do it as they already own data centres and massive bandwidth but I think they would just be the same as Youtube with their policies.
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Because the same starting conditions and environments lead to the same results. I mean you can see the serious shit that really needs to be removed, because they need to abide the law. The problem is to start mixing in purely moral values, although they already got the age verification for some content.

Deodand2014:
Commentary from a crusty old bloke in New Zealand:



And to remember, YouTube is run by people who believe that it is their duty to ensure viewers are safe both online and offline.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: SparkyFX on August 06, 2019, 01:47:20 am ---
--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on August 04, 2019, 06:16:43 pm ---As they stated, they might generally sue based on hidden employee status or unspecific GDPR issues. If that happens they not only sue for their unionized members, but might lead to decisions that affect all. No idea how this might end, because as SiliconWizard said many creators upload to different platforms, YT just pays most i guess.

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Not only that, but believe me, most "Youtubers" wouldn't really want to be proper Youtube employees anyway. Be very careful what you wish for. Many people probably don't begin to understand what this status would entail, including losing all freedom to work as, when and with whomever they please.

Again to me it doesn't really make sense. You either want to be an independent worker or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
Red Squirrel:
Can't youtube just ban all the channels that decide to join the union?  I could see them do that tbh.   That's the issue with trying to fight such a large company they always have a card they can pull and will be way ahead of you.

And yeah one advantage of being a "contractor" is you can somewhat do what you want.  Unfortunately you still have to abide by the rules and when they don't even tell you what the rules are... it makes life difficult.  Technically Youtubers can upload to alternate sites too but then Youtube can also turn around and say that if you upload to Youtube then they own all copyright of your video and you're not allowed to upload it anywhere else.  That's basically how the music industry works, artists don't own their own works and have no rights over it.    I think Youtube already does that for streaming. If you have a Youtube account you're not allowed to stream anything on a non Youtube platform.
Bud:
What justification YT would use to ban union members? "You have been banned because you are a member of a union"? That would find its way into the press pretty fast and may be considered as retaliation and make big noise.
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