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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2019, 08:47:55 am »
The real problem is Youtube's lazy keyword matching, especially when combined with automatic subtitling.
There is no consideration of context.

To give an example, youtubers are too scared to use the word "trump" in their videos, as youtube only assumes they are talking about the orange haired one, and not the phrase "X trumps Y"
There are some really hilarious ones, like "focus ring" being mis-heard as something sexual by youtube's bots, so camera review videos become porn.
Both of these are the result of not taking context into account, one word should not be enough to trigger the filters, especially if many other harmless terms have been used.

Thing is, google know full well words can have multiple meanings given context, their search engine wouldn't work without knowing that.
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2019, 03:10:12 pm »
Youtube seems most unfriendly toward youtubers who have anything critical to say of corporations and their products and western governments.  Just 2 of many political  youtubers who have experienced the gamut of measures that youtube will take are Jimmy Dore and Lee Camp.  And it definitely is not only political youtubers who experience some of the gamut.  It all leans very heavily toward youtube controlling an overall narrative by promoting those youtubers who are compliant with corporate and western government agendas.  In other words, $$$  Those youtubers who promote products through no bad reviews and promote western agendas through no dissent seem to be who youtube wants leading the pack.  If you are a nice neutral khaki, you probably have nothing to worry about.
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2019, 11:11:42 am »
Then there is also: Some "influencers" have been cease-and-desist-ed in Germany for not declaring product placement
It was just in the news here in Switzerland about some Instagram influencer who got an official warning from the Swiss federal customs administration for violating the liquor advertising laws for posting a picture of herself with a gin and tonic. Apparently, if it’s even tangentially related to any kind of sponsorship or whatnot, it’s “advertising” and thus the laws apply, and they are absurd. I understand not wanting to market to kids, and to a certain extent (though nowhere near as much as the federal customs administration) avoiding lifestyle marketing. But they go much too far, and above all, it’s only for distilled spirits, not wine and beer. As a cocktail drinker who doesn’t particularly care for wine or beer, it’s legitimately unfair that a shop can advertise a sale on beer or wine, but not on spirits. (They literally cannot even write “sale!” on a shelf tag!)
 
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2019, 06:39:44 am »
Interesting:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/man-agrees-to-pay-25000-for-abusing-youtubes-takedown-system/

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A Nebraska man has agreed to pay $25,000 for abusing YouTube's takedown system under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, YouTube said in an emailed statement Tuesday. The man, Christopher Brady, also signed a public apology admitting to "falsely claiming that material uploaded by YouTube users infringed my copyrights."
 
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2019, 11:21:41 am »
Interesting:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/man-agrees-to-pay-25000-for-abusing-youtubes-takedown-system/

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A Nebraska man has agreed to pay $25,000 for abusing YouTube's takedown system under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, YouTube said in an emailed statement Tuesday. The man, Christopher Brady, also signed a public apology admitting to "falsely claiming that material uploaded by YouTube users infringed my copyrights."
If he's a lone troublemaker I guess $25000 is a serious punishment. If he was acting for interests that are trying to suppress people on YouTube its too light a punishment to have any effect. Take down notices kill the view count for videos, even if the video is restored after a day or two. A large part of the total view count occurs in the first day or two, especially for topical material.
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2019, 12:51:26 pm »
But they go much too far, and above all, it’s only for distilled spirits, not wine and beer. As a cocktail drinker who doesn’t particularly care for wine or beer, it’s legitimately unfair that a shop can advertise a sale on beer or wine, but not on spirits. (They literally cannot even write “sale!” on a shelf tag!)

Welcome to the Statist Bureaucratic Insanity.  |O
Fortunately tho here in Switzerland we get a bit less of it like... let's say Germany.
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2019, 08:30:41 pm »
But they go much too far, and above all, it’s only for distilled spirits, not wine and beer. As a cocktail drinker who doesn’t particularly care for wine or beer, it’s legitimately unfair that a shop can advertise a sale on beer or wine, but not on spirits. (They literally cannot even write “sale!” on a shelf tag!)

Welcome to the Statist Bureaucratic Insanity.  |O
Fortunately tho here in Switzerland we get a bit less of it like... let's say Germany.
Definitely.

P.S. You goofed up the quoting. It was me who talked about CH, not SparkyFX.
 
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2019, 02:39:16 pm »
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2019, 03:28:16 pm »
People who want to upload videos of anything else than kittens, puppies and babies are nothing but troublemakers who need to be dealt with accordingly.
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2019, 03:33:37 pm »
People who want to upload videos of anything else than kittens, puppies and babies are nothing but troublemakers who need to be dealt with accordingly.

Let me correct you: People who want to upload videos of anything else than kittens, puppies and babies that goes against what the advertisers want are nothing but troublemakers who need to be dealt with accordingly.

Youtube is a machine to make money to Google, it's free but you are the product, your content are the product for ads. If you don't provide return, you are terminated.

I think that some years ago there was also a kind of controversy about advertisers paying directly to the content creators instead of going through Google and Google wanted to ban that.
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2019, 03:58:16 pm »
YouTube is updating their terms of service.  Nothing about it is good.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/11/20955864/youtube-terms-of-service-update-terminations-children-content-ftc

I heard about this some days ago, its brilliant the faster CIA driven YT goes in to the grave the better!
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #86 on: Yesterday at 01:48:44 am »
Let me correct you: People who want to upload videos of anything else than kittens, puppies and babies that goes against what the advertisers want are nothing but troublemakers who need to be dealt with accordingly.

Advertisers do not have that choice.  There are plenty of advertisers for completely legal products which are banned from both YouTube and Google.

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I think that some years ago there was also a kind of controversy about advertisers paying directly to the content creators instead of going through Google and Google wanted to ban that.

That ship sailed when YouTube started using demonetization as a weapon.  Plenty of videos I regularly watch include the advertisements as part of the video now.

 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 02:38:42 am »
People who want to upload videos of anything else than kittens, puppies and babies are nothing but troublemakers who need to be dealt with accordingly.

Let me correct you: People who want to upload videos of anything else than kittens, puppies and babies that goes against what the advertisers want are nothing but troublemakers who need to be dealt with accordingly.

Youtube is a machine to make money to Google, it's free but you are the product, your content are the product for ads. If you don't provide return, you are terminated.

And here's one example of that.



You also have to remember that Google is run by members of the iGen, they believe that individual words (E.g. 'Picnic', 'Violate') no matter what the context will cause those individuals to suffer the effects of PTSD and since mental comfort is the highest thing, we end up with nonsense like this.
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #88 on: Yesterday at 02:59:27 am »
You also have to remember that Google is run by members of the iGen, they believe that individual words (E.g. 'Picnic', 'Violate') no matter what the context will cause those individuals to suffer the effects of PTSD

Oh, really? ;D

Picnic!!
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #89 on: Yesterday at 08:30:52 am »
You also have to remember that Google is run by members of the iGen, they believe that individual words (E.g. 'Picnic', 'Violate') no matter what the context will cause those individuals to suffer the effects of PTSD

Oh, really? ;D

Picnic!!

Indeed, just check out Snopes

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/picnic-origin/
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #90 on: Yesterday at 10:25:33 am »
You also have to remember that Google is run by members of the iGen, they believe that individual words (E.g. 'Picnic', 'Violate') no matter what the context will cause those individuals to suffer the effects of PTSD and since mental comfort is the highest thing, we end up with nonsense like this.
OK, boomer. ;)

That claim is, of course, utter nonsense. The vast majority of Gen-Xers (which is who runs google, not young millennials) as well as millennials do not hold such extreme views, nor did the fringe members of those generations invent such silliness. For example, the woman who coined the term “herstory” was born in 1941, too old to even be a boomer! It was them, and boomers, who invented the “outrage” over things like the normal American pronunciation of “harassment”, and it’s boomers who came up with women’s studies, gay studies, etc. It’s baffling to me that millennials get attacked over this, when they had nothing to do with it. I’m sure that if we look hard enough, we can find examples of that kind of silliness dating back to at least the 19th century, if not earlier.
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #91 on: Yesterday at 11:18:48 am »
Read the Unabomber Manifesto and you will know that SJWism already existed when Millennials were in their diapers.
But the problem with Millenials is that they are the first generation which (at least a subset of) grew up completely immersed in this mentality and they know nothing else. Millennials is what happened when those boomer hippies tried to raise children.

Boomers were SJWs fighting for eternal victims, Millennials are eternal victims. There wouldn't be half of the drama without a fresh supply of victims to parade before the public and those are mostly all sorts of mentally troubled youngsters. These days it is fashionable to be a victim and everybody wants to identify as one, even the neo-Nazis. This is the original contribution of the Millennial generation.
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #92 on: Today at 12:10:39 am »
That’s just as much nonsense as the claims that they’re all SJWs. “Playing the victim” is what the perpetrators say to try and gaslight their victims.

At least in USA, millennials legitimately have a much, much harder situation than prior generations, in almost every tangible way. And when they rightfully stand up and say “WTF?”, they get called “victims”, but in a very real sense they are, and it’s absolutely correct of them to stand up against the people who caused the mess.
 

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« Reply #93 on: Today at 12:15:43 am »
Also, millennials were not “in diapers” in 1995 (when the Unabomber manifesto was published), but rather older kids or young teens . People forget that typical definitions of millennials starts at about 1983. (A lot of people seem to mistakenly think that millennials means people born around the turn of the millennium, but it means people who became adults around the turn of the millennium!!)

As I said, SJWs predate millennials by a whole lot longer than the anti-SJWs of today want to believe.
 

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« Reply #94 on: Today at 12:34:44 am »
That’s just as much nonsense as the claims that they’re all SJWs. “Playing the victim” is what the perpetrators say to try and gaslight their victims.

At least in USA, millennials legitimately have a much, much harder situation than prior generations, in almost every tangible way. And when they rightfully stand up and say “WTF?”, they get called “victims”, but in a very real sense they are, and it’s absolutely correct of them to stand up against the people who caused the mess.
The young working class in the US do genuinely seem to have a much harder time than their parents. I have yet to be convinced that the average middle class US millennial has things worse. If they have bought into the BS around them they will suffer, but this has always been the case. Nobody, except (if you are lucky) your family, is looking out for you. You have always needed to look out for yourself, and steer your own course in life.
 

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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #95 on: Today at 08:22:16 am »
“Playing the victim” is what the perpetrators say to try and gaslight their victims.
I see that you have already been assimilated by the Boomer, resistance is futile ;)

At least in USA, millennials legitimately have a much, much harder situation than prior generations, in almost every tangible way. And when they rightfully stand up and say “WTF?”, they get called “victims”, but in a very real sense they are, and it’s absolutely correct of them to stand up against the people who caused the mess.
I'm not arguing about that. I'm saying why Millennials are being associated with SJWism: because many of the most visible and obnoxious SJWs of today are, indeed, Millennials. The poor women in tech, the nonbinary zirs, the white knights defending them. These are mostly overgrown kids (indeed in their twenties or thirties by now, no disagreement here) who live in some imaginary world where other people's actions or lack thereof mean different things than they actually do and they fight fucking windmills.

Don't get me started :P I have been to some Internet feminist safe spaces, used to read "H".N. for years with the weekly submissions about Social Justice, I have some idea what those people are and I say they are insane.

And yes, #NotAllMillenials ::)
But it doesn't matter when it comes to the image, go figure. Another Boomerism to believe otherwise ;)

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Holy crap, EEVBlog forum has hastags, are we Twitter now? :scared:
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Re: Is the S**t about to hit the you tube fan
« Reply #96 on: Today at 02:31:39 pm »
That’s just as much nonsense as the claims that they’re all SJWs. “Playing the victim” is what the perpetrators say to try and gaslight their victims.

At least in USA, millennials legitimately have a much, much harder situation than prior generations, in almost every tangible way. And when they rightfully stand up and say “WTF?”, they get called “victims”, but in a very real sense they are, and it’s absolutely correct of them to stand up against the people who caused the mess.
The young working class in the US do genuinely seem to have a much harder time than their parents. I have yet to be convinced that the average middle class US millennial has things worse. If they have bought into the BS around them they will suffer, but this has always been the case. Nobody, except (if you are lucky) your family, is looking out for you. You have always needed to look out for yourself, and steer your own course in life.
Agreed. (Luckily, I am aware of how the UK definitions of working/middle/upper class differ from the US ones. By the US definition, even the middle class is not doing that great.) What sucks for them is that not only is the working class’s work situation bad, but they’re saddled with batshit crazy amounts of student debt, making it functionally impossible for them to begin to accrue any kind of savings or assets. This is going to be really, really bad when they’re reaching retirement age.


“Playing the victim” is what the perpetrators say to try and gaslight their victims.
I see that you have already been assimilated by the Boomer, resistance is futile ;)
I don’t think I understand. (FYI, I’m a “xennial”, i.e. the sliver between Gen X and millennial.)

At least in USA, millennials legitimately have a much, much harder situation than prior generations, in almost every tangible way. And when they rightfully stand up and say “WTF?”, they get called “victims”, but in a very real sense they are, and it’s absolutely correct of them to stand up against the people who caused the mess.
I'm not arguing about that. I'm saying why Millennials are being associated with SJWism: because many of the most visible and obnoxious SJWs of today are, indeed, Millennials. The poor women in tech, the nonbinary zirs, the white knights defending them. These are mostly overgrown kids (indeed in their twenties or thirties by now, no disagreement here) who live in some imaginary world where other people's actions or lack thereof mean different things than they actually do and they fight fucking windmills.

Don't get me started :P I have been to some Internet feminist safe spaces, used to read "H".N. for years with the weekly submissions about Social Justice, I have some idea what those people are and I say they are insane.

And yes, #NotAllMillenials ::)
But it doesn't matter when it comes to the image, go figure. Another Boomerism to believe otherwise ;)

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Holy crap, EEVBlog forum has hastags, are we Twitter now? :scared:
While it’s possibly true that the most obnoxious SJWs are millennials (though l suspect it’s actually not millennials, but rather the yet-unnamed generation following them, the people who are in their teens and early 20s now), there are a lot of Gen-Xers who are, too. Just who exactly do you think runs the SJW university departments? Millennials are too young.
 


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