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| Is there any theoretical limit to stupidity? (Android permission auto-revoke) |
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| Fredderic:
The first couple posts here sounded like the Grandpa brigade going, "Get off my lawn with your new fangled technology I don't understand, you youngun's". --- Quote from: IanB on February 14, 2022, 10:19:21 pm --- --- Quote from: ve7xen on February 14, 2022, 10:04:32 pm ---Then they'll forget their password, since they've been unlocking their phone exclusively with biometrics for the past 6 months, and don't use it anywhere else, then they'll need to take it to the store for help wiping it, and they'll lose all their data. --- End quote --- This has already happened to me once. Biometric security is extremely dangerous if you have no way to recover a forgotten password. I now understand why Apple forces you to unlock your phone manually once a week. --- End quote --- So much this. The 3-day login prompt annoys me sometimes too, but, I don't remember my ATM card PIN right now, because I've been using the tap thing with my phone. I'd hate to forget my phone unlock code too, and I KNOW I will. Do kinda wish it was configurable — I'm reasonably sure my brain could handle 5 days between reminders. But then, I guess what's the chance I'd slowly walk it out until I did forget…? I've never experienced most of these issues commented on here, either — I'm using Samsung (been thinking of going Pixel next, try a little closer to pure Android — and get rid of stupid Bixby, plus having one less company spying on all my important datas. Meh, nothing's ever perfect.). I get prompts to let me know it's putting apps to sleep (sometimes I wish it'd just do it already, but it's a good thing often enough that I'm usually glad it didn't), and prompts to let me know it's revoking permissions (and you can tell it not to), and it takes all of a few seconds to flip through and ignore it (usually leave it until I'm stuck waiting for something, so it's not even taking otherwise useful time). Never had it even try to break calls, but, if you're not using the stock call app,etc., it may not know to leave it alone. So yeah, also agree that it's most likely your crappy elcheapo whatzit screwing up Android. (Or maybe it did give you the problems, and you just ignored it without paying attention and/or understanding. "Get off my lawn, darned Android whappersnipper!") |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on February 12, 2022, 02:55:42 pm --- --- Quote from: Halcyon on February 12, 2022, 04:15:34 am ---To the OP, I don't think you're problem is Android per se, rather the buggy, bloated, bastardised junk that some manufacturers pass off as an Android experience. Xiamoi's MIUI software is one of them. It's complete shit. Oppo's ColorOS isn't much better. These two (and others) might be based off Android, but are so far disconnected from how actual proper native Android operates. --- End quote --- How long before manufacturers would figure out that rather than spend a lot of effort on making their own Android builds, sponsoring a LineageOS developer would be far cheaper and yield better results? --- End quote --- As someone who begrudgingly buys two phones per decade, I can tell you that I do visit the shops every 6-12 months with the intent of being sold a new device. I just hate the way they change things. But, all people seem to want in a new fone is a shiny widget that jumps around on the screen so they can show their peers. And a screen that isn't cracked. |
| SilverSolder:
There isn't enough understanding among the public (yet) that security imposes a cost - hardware, software, and user experience. Users have less and less say in what this compromise should be, because major corporations (like banks, for example) require the end device to be security-hardened in order to allow it to be used for transactions - governments require it because increasingly, phones are used for other ID purposes - and so on and on. The security requirements beyond a basic level are not driven by the users at all. There is really no way out of this hole as long as you keep believing that it is "your" phone! Once you accept that the phone isn't yours, and you begin treating it as if it had been issued to you by your employer, you will be a lot happier. |
| eti:
--- Quote from: emece67 on February 11, 2022, 10:28:42 am ---Recently changed to a new Android phone (a MIUI equipped one). Now it has a feature, of course aimed at increasing security, that automatically revokes permissions to apps if they remain unused for «a few months». The problem is that the «few months» were 3 days. After such 3 days the system revoked permissions to a lot of apps. In order not to annoy me with a bunch of notifications, the system didn't warn about such revocations and, even more, the affected apps didn't ask me, when launched, about granting again such revoked permissions, they simply refused to properly work. Thus I ended up with the alarm clock not allowed to play sounds, Maps not allowed to access location, Gallery not allowed to access media, Messages not allowed to access SMS, and so on. I needed to manually grant permissions for each application. A benefit of traveling thru all apps permissions was that I was able to turn-off such permission auto-revoke feature, as it cannot be disabled globally, but only app by app. Thus, I'm guessing if there is any known theoretical limit to stupidity and, if so, how close is this design, aimed at disabling almost all device functions just 3 days after purchase without notifying the user, to such limit. Regards. --- End quote --- My deepest and sincerest sympathy goes out to you for choosing anything Xiaomi phone. I bought one (I'm well informed) as a stop gap, two years ago. Yeah.... nope. Never again. MIUI is too awful.to be called a joke, since jokes are funny. Android is bad enough, but MIUI, Xiaomi and all their "We're the Chinese Apple" BS. 🤦♂️ |
| eti:
I'll remark, if I may, that, despite all these ridiculous re-hashes of Android - they're all - for better or worse - just re-hashes of a ghastly design. There may be "better" or "worse" variants, but they're only "better" or "worse" within the scope of Android, which ain't saying much. If any of these companies had any brains, they'd have found a sound and solid competitor to iOS, built from the ground up FROM SCRATCH, as an intelligent company would... (and not based on Android OR Linux, that has been tried and flopped too many times as to make it a parody of itself) and they haven't, except for Microsoft with "Windows Phone" 7 and 8, and that was a REALLY nice OS, and I still have a Lumia 640 XL upstairs, and love it, despite it being obsoleted. Variants of a turd are still a turd. |
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