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Is there any theoretical limit to stupidity? (Android permission auto-revoke)
eti:
Not having a deep fundamental understanding of why Apple makes decisions to do things a certain way, doesn’t mean iOS is no good, it just means that the person observing them as such, is uneducated in the vast breadth and depth of the Apple way.
Why can’t you roll back iOS? Well why do you think? It’s pretty obvious; you can’t because it’s updated and patched and refined to counter any bugs and exploits found. Apple’s ENTIRE model is security and simplicity. Period. That’s all there is to it. If you could roll it back, that would mean an inherent weakness in the design model.
Apple doesn’t care if you like their products or not - you don’t become the world’s most successful, trusted, well supported technology brand for no reason at all; they play the long game, they let the other device manufactures play around with the bleeding edge, then sit and watch from the sidelines; they allow the other companies to make the mistakes, which is FREE R&D from their perspective, then they’ll take note of the things that stick, quietly note them down in their journal, then test them and refine their own prototypes in-house, regardless of whether or not they’ll ever see the light of the inside of an Apple store.
You don’t become $3TN consumer technology company with a legendary reputation, without earning it. People mock what they don’t understand, and the more they mock Apple the more they show it, and every mention of the brand gets them into peoples minds.
Apple’s heritage and legacy are decades deep and wide, never make the mistake of thinking they’re a newcomer, they’re the industry leader in all things touch and Desktop. Fact.
eti:
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--- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2022, 03:41:40 pm ---
There are pluses and minuses with both of the duopolists. I don't get along well with the "walled" nature of iOS, even if the user experience is very slick and well done.
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I feel that people often (and ALWAYS in error, as they ALWAYS focus on that one small aspect and skim over everything else) see the "walled garden" as ONLY keeping them in; no - it keeps all the junk/spam/attacks/tracking, OUT, no compromise.
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My views are formed by past bad experiences with trying to move or copy files between iDevices and Wintel PCs... OMG what a tangled web that can be, for something conceptually so simple.
Then there was the time where an iOS update destroyed my well loved iPhone 4s - the battery life went from several days to a few hours - it was ridiculous. Apple would not let me roll back the OS. The perfectly good phone became junk... I am still angry about that, years later, and it is absolutely a factor in me avoiding Apple phones to this day.
With my Android devices, I simply plug in a USB cord and have at it, just the way you'd expect it to work.
I agree that the Google stuff spies on you and tracks everything you do. It sucks, but I avoid it by keeping a minimum of personally identifiable data on the phone. I totally understand that I don't own my phone and that the landlord can do what he pleases.
I wish Microsoft/Nokia and/or Blackberry had been more successful, so we could have some alternatives to the current stale duopoly offerings...
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Being “angry” for years is bad enough, but being angry at a personal TECHNOLOGICAL situation which, for all we know, could be down to your own lack of understanding or foresight, or personal biases, is plain irrational. Hanging onto that “anger” over one very specific situation with a very old phone, and closing your mind off to anything from then on, is extremely irrational too.
Missing those other platforms won’t get them back. I have a collection of Lumias and BlackBerry phones, but my wishing won’t make them popular again. They’re lovely though, and kept by me for sentimental reasons.
Rigidly refusing to try again, based on one bad experience, is extremely short-sighted.
NiHaoMike:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2022, 11:55:56 pm ---I agree that the Google stuff spies on you and tracks everything you do. It sucks, but I avoid it by keeping a minimum of personally identifiable data on the phone. I totally understand that I don't own my phone and that the landlord can do what he pleases.
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Get a device that supports LineageOS and you can have Android without Google.
eti:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 23, 2022, 02:37:21 am ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on February 23, 2022, 01:16:03 am ---
--- Quote --- with file sharing and synchronization through the cloud. Any file I want on my Windows desktop I just say "send to OneDrive" or "send to iCloud" and it works just as I need it to
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Whereas with all my Android phones I can FTP into them, access a web-based file manager over wifi and upload/download individual files or automatically create a zip of them all to transfer en bloc, shove a USB cable up it, browse (on the phone) to any local PC share, use Nextcloud (despite its name it's a Dropbox clone running on-prem), ...
None of them accesses anyone elses machine, cloud or not, nor do they need to get permission off anyone but me.
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Yep. Having the freedom of accessing your data in a strictly private manner and in standard ways is IMHO non-negotiable.
And that's at least one plus of Android.
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“Standard” != best, necessarily.
For years, my Luddite friends would mock my iPhone “Oh, sorry, I can’t send you this photo over Bluetooth, your stupid iPhone doesn’t do Bluetooth file transfer”
Yeah, because my “stupid iPhone” is made by a company that are future-focused, and which later, developed the wonderful “AirDrop” protocol (Bluetooth for discovering and setting up the connection, WiFi for the actual file transfer.)
Using all platforms myself (because I’m open minded and need to find ways to do things across many platforms) means that I’m in the unique position in my community of friends and family, of being able to test things exhaustively for many years on all platforms, mobile and desktop, and then - if they ask - I’ll tell them which I think works best (usually Apple btw) and if they voice an irrational aversion to fruit, I don’t make idiotic and immature comments regarding my personal choices, but instead swiftly move on to find them a solution that works for their choice of devices; if they choose to disregard Apple/whatever company device/services, it’s not a matter of my ego or pride needing to “convert” them; if they ask my opinions (only if they ask!) I’ll tell them I prefer Apple because X,Y,Z, and give a couple of informed examples and even demonstrations (I’ll wait to see if they progress to wanting a demo - forcing that upon them is not my bag)
I’ll observe that I’ve often laughed when my Samsung fanboy friend has sat for about half an hour trying to send me tiny videos (2-3Gb) and trying all the nonsense “solutions” that Google as Samsung have collectively messed up, and mentioning that “Send Anywhere” app works really well (and said friend refuses, saying “I don’t want to install more apps” {and yet he’ll stubbornly sit there and waste our mutual time, trying to prove how Android can also do it as well… 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂})
ve7xen:
--- Quote from: eti on February 23, 2022, 02:46:58 am ---Not having a deep fundamental understanding of why Apple makes decisions to do things a certain way, doesn’t mean iOS is no good, it just means that the person observing them as such, is uneducated in the vast breadth and depth of the Apple way.
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You don’t become $3TN consumer technology company with a legendary reputation, without earning it. People mock what they don’t understand, and the more they mock Apple the more they show it, and every mention of the brand gets them into peoples minds.
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You really did drink the Kool-Aid eh? It's absolutely amazing that you'd take the lack of a feature and try to spin it as a benefit because Apple came out with an alternative that's locked to their platform for no reason other than protectionism. If they'd implemented BT file transfer then...it would have just worked... Instead, you had no easy solution.
Apple is not your friend. They are not designing products to help you, they are designing products to make money. A big part of that is leveraging their monopoly to lock out their competition and ensure they get their pound of flesh for everything you do on your phone, whether they've earned it or not. That they can position this ridiculous abuse of your authority over the device you ostensibly own for to make it easier for them to tap your pocket book and folks like you will buy it is the genius of it all.
They're also not such brilliant engineers that they have the only viable product on the market. The fact that you think so is evidence of nothing more than the power of their marketing department.
--- Quote ---I’ll observe that I’ve often laughed when my Samsung fanboy friend has sat for about half an hour trying to send me tiny videos (2-3Gb) and trying all the nonsense “solutions” that Google as Samsung have collectively messed up, and mentioning that “Send Anywhere” app works really well (and said friend refuses, saying “I don’t want to install more apps” {and yet he’ll stubbornly sit there and waste our mutual time, trying to prove how Android can also do it as well… 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂})
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Why do you blame this on Google / Android and not Apple, where the blame belongs? For one thing, Apple has never released an AirDrop specification or code. How would you expect it to work better, since in typical Apple style, they do not implement any alternative interoperable protocols for this? Nobody can implement their stuff, because they're protectionist about it, and they refuse to implement anyone else's, including standard protocols. Google's Nearby Share code is open source. How much do you want to bet Apple never adds it to iOS to improve this situation?
Why did this become the thread for shilling Apple anyway? If you're not happy with how Android handles permissions, good luck on iOS.
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