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| ve7xen:
--- Quote from: eti on February 23, 2022, 06:05:28 am ---Mighty angry aren’t we. 🙄 --- End quote --- I rather am. Apple's business model is ruining the tech industry writ large. They're far more egregious than anything Microsoft ever did in the 90s, and Microsoft actually got smacked down. They've found a convenient and clever excuse for egregious behaviour that the legislators seem to be buying, despite the damage it is doing to the market and consumer choice. There's no evidence that any regulator or legislator, at least in North America, even seems to be cognizant of Apple's abuses. They are pushing us backward to a world of platform exclusivity, protectionism, and control rather than the one we were heading for in the early 00s with federated, standardized protocols and openness. There's no reason for there not to be a standardized messaging protocol that all services use (XMPP...), and the same for voice/video chat, file sharing, and a variety of other things. --- Quote ---Apple don’t owe anyone the secrets behind their technology. You might live in freetard utopia, but differentiation and successful ideas is what makes clever people money, and those inventions set apart the wheat from the chaff. --- End quote --- |O There are no secrets. AirDrop is not a difficult thing to implement. If Apple's goal was usability, they would want it to become a standard, so that they could interoperate with many devices, and the users would be the winners without having to worry about what kind of device each other has. Or even better, they would promote it as an actual standard with IETF or similar, and get it ratified as something anyone anywhere can easily implement and interoperate with. Instead, they protect it, and don't allow anyone else to interoperate with them to try and pressure everyone into their little bubble. It's the same thing with FaceTime. Or iMessage. Or a litany of other Apple-only things. They are nothing special, the fact that they are Apple-exclusive and often by far the least-friction solution (by virtue of being unconfigurable defaults) is purely leverage they use against you to hold you on their platform. --- Quote ---1: What a comical, idiotic name. 2: Only HOW many years too late? 3: It’s a crusty, clumsy effort and it’s never worked once for me (just like their proximity unlock for Chromebook) --- End quote --- 1. Irrelevant. Like I said, you are clearly very susceptible to marketing. At least it clearly conveys its purpose. 2. Sure, but I have no idea how this refutes my point about Apple's protectionism harming consumers and actively harming the experience for their users in the interest of pushing people to their platform. 3. Eh, it just works for me. It's not exactly a hard thing to do, and considering your...bias...I'm not going to take your experience at face value. The point is that it is open, and Apple can choose to implement it (like BT file transfer!) if they prioritized a good user experience, unlike Google implementing AirDrop which is not an option available to them. But they won't, because they are Apple and creating a world where tech interoperates well is not something they want to do. That would be good for consumers, and bad for locking them to Apple. --- Quote ---Check out this “guide” from Captain bullshit random Indian tech site: https://www.guidingtech.com/fix-nearby-sharing-not-working-on-android/ --- End quote --- Mighty similar to https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/airdrop-not-working-fix/ ... These blogs exist to hoover search results from people trying to use this stuff, they are no indication of widespread problems. --- Quote ---If ya gonna fanboy, pick the winning side. --- End quote --- :palm: Says the person that comes into a thread about Android as an Apple fanboy and refuses to acknowledge that his favourite company is at least as predatory and anti-consumer as any other? That acts like anything that comes out of Apple's anus is gold-plated chocolate, despite the smell? That's so brainwashed they've come around to believe anyone that doesn't also love the smell must be an idiot, and happily and arrogantly expresses that attitude in public? I'm no Android fanboy. It's a functional product, just like iOS, I am just very tired of people thinking that sunshine and rainbows emit from Apple's ass. They are one of the most predatory companies to ever exist. Be more critical of them. |
| IanB:
--- Quote from: ve7xen on February 23, 2022, 08:51:12 pm ---They are pushing us backward to a world of platform exclusivity, protectionism, and control rather than the one we were heading for in the early 00s with federated, standardized protocols and openness. --- End quote --- I don't think Apple is pushing anyone. They make products and people buy them. It is the market expressing its preference. --- Quote ---There's no reason for there not to be a standardized messaging protocol that all services use (XMPP...), and the same for voice/video chat, file sharing, and a variety of other things. --- End quote --- If there is no reason for there not to be such things, then surely such things would prevail? People would prefer them, and would prefer devices that offer them, and the market would decide. But what I think happens is that 99% of phone buyers are not technical, or technologists. They are just consumers that want to buy products with a polished design that just work. And this is what happens if you buy Apple. Inside the Apple ecosystem, everything is smooth, reliable, predictable and supported. It just works. Apple has made a nice walled garden with a big open door and a sign that says "Enter here and be happy!" It is hard really to blame Apple for this. They are delivering what the market wants, as evidenced by the fact that their products sell by the billion. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: eti on February 23, 2022, 02:54:41 am ---[...] Being “angry” [about Apple refusing to roll back failed upgrade] for years is bad [...] --- End quote --- Well, instead of "angry", perhaps substitute "disappointed that Apple ruined my perfectly good phone for no discernible good reason". Since my disappointment (and financial loss) was directly caused by Apple's policies rather than any technological obstacle, I decided to not purchase products from a company whose policies I disagree with, if reasonable alternatives are available. Is that not fair? Back in the day, I had to reformat my PC hard drive after Sony's root kit debacle ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal). Sony ended up on my blacklist; is that not reasonable? They cost me many hours of work, due to their policies which I obviously disagreed very strongly with. My wife uses an iPad. She keeps running into problems getting large video files from the device over to her PC. Of course, some way of getting the data transferred locally at high speed is called for. On her Android phone, she plugs in via USB and gets the job done in short order. - She is now at the next upgrade cycle, the iPad is getting a little old and slow. Guess what she wants? A Windows tablet or small laptop "that doesn't get in my way". She is disappointed with her iPad and is not buying another one. To cut a long story short, when a consumer is disappointed, they buy something else going forward. Those decisions are hard to change... once you've bought a lemon from a car company, you probably won't buy that brand again even if they make decent cars now... because now you found other solutions that you are happy with, why go back to something you got burned with in the past? |
| PlainName:
--- Quote from: IanB on February 23, 2022, 09:17:48 pm --- --- Quote ---There's no reason for there not to be a standardized messaging protocol that all services use (XMPP...), and the same for voice/video chat, file sharing, and a variety of other things. --- End quote --- If there is no reason for there not to be such things, then surely such things would prevail? People would prefer them, and would prefer devices that offer them, and the market would decide. --- End quote --- You pretty much answer that yourself in the next paragraph - users don't know about protocols and standards so are typically unable to say "I would like this to use XMPP". And even if they did, they can't vote with their wallet because some other feature might outweigh the disadvantages. It's like our alleged democracy - because one party got in it's assumed everyone voted for ALL their policies, whereas in fact a voter probably just got swayed by one or two and the rest came as baggage. |
| ve7xen:
--- Quote from: IanB on February 23, 2022, 09:17:48 pm ---I don't think Apple is pushing anyone. They make products and people buy them. It is the market expressing its preference. --- End quote --- The market is expressing its preference for slick products that work well, sure. They're not expressing a preference for vendor-locked protocols and products that constantly rent-seek. That the slick, well marketed products happen to be vendor-locked is at best incidental as far as they're concerned. They aren't thinking about interoperability, or the fact that this vendor-locking is being used against them. This is Apple's whole schtick. Users don't care about protocols and business models, they just want it to work well. They don't realize or care that these choices by Apple are what causes them not to be able to interoperate with each other. They just sigh and say 'I guess I'll get an iPhone next time'. Or more likely they've been platform-locked for a decade and don't even consider switching - and that's not accidental either. --- Quote ---If there is no reason for there not to be such things, then surely such things would prevail? People would prefer them, and would prefer devices that offer them, and the market would decide. --- End quote --- I guess I could qualify it with technical reason. The business reason for Apple is obvious. They want you captive on their platform. It goes a little further than just not creating standard, interoperable protocols though. They actively discourage or create friction for alternative options as well, by not allowing configurable defaults, enforcing strict 'privacy' rules, and so on. How great would it be if you had a choice of messaging providers that could all interoperate with each other. Pick one you trust, with policies you can get behind. Or even self-host, and you can chat with everyone from a single app/service, rather than using half a dozen, some of which you really hate? I can't imagine that consumers wouldn't get behind something like this, the problem is that it only works if everyone is behind it, and as long as Apple's obstructionist and holds a significant part of the market, it's a non-starter. --- Quote ---It is hard really to blame Apple for this. They are delivering what the market wants, as evidenced by the fact that their products sell by the billion. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple. --- End quote --- Sure it's hard to blame Apple, they're a corporation and they're going to extract as much profit as they can get away with. Blame lies with the courts, legislators, and regulators that have as yet failed to see any of this as anti-consumer or anti-trust behaviour that should be checked. It's way more damaging than anything Microsoft ever did, but Apple has found a clever loophole where they are 'not a monopoly' but through technological measures can cause all the same kinds of market distortions. And everyone else is now following them down this path, as they lead by example to a place I don't want the technology industry to go. So while I don't blame Apple per se, it doesn't mean I'm going to support them. |
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