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Not having a deep fundamental understanding of why Apple makes decisions to do things a certain way, doesn’t mean iOS is no good, it just means that the person observing them as such, is uneducated in the vast breadth and depth of the Apple way.

Why can’t you roll back iOS? Well why do you think? It’s pretty obvious; you can’t because it’s updated and patched and refined to counter any bugs and exploits found. Apple’s ENTIRE model is security and simplicity. Period. That’s all there is to it. If you could roll it back, that would mean an inherent weakness in the design model.

Apple doesn’t care if you like their products or not - you don’t become the world’s most successful, trusted, well supported technology  brand for no reason at all; they play the long game, they let the other device manufactures play around with the bleeding edge, then sit and watch from the sidelines; they allow the other companies to make the mistakes, which is FREE R&D from their perspective, then they’ll take note of the things that stick, quietly note them down in their journal, then test them and refine their own prototypes in-house, regardless of whether or not they’ll ever see the light of the inside of an Apple store.

You don’t become $3TN consumer technology company with a legendary reputation, without earning it. People mock what they don’t understand, and the more they mock Apple the more they show it, and every mention of the brand gets them into peoples minds.

Apple’s heritage and legacy are decades deep and wide, never make the mistake of thinking they’re a newcomer, they’re the industry leader in all things touch and Desktop. Fact.
 

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There are pluses and minuses with both of the duopolists.  I don't get along well with the "walled" nature of iOS, even if the user experience is very slick and well done.

I feel that people often (and ALWAYS in error, as they ALWAYS focus on that one small aspect and skim over everything else) see the "walled garden" as ONLY keeping them in; no - it keeps all the junk/spam/attacks/tracking, OUT, no compromise.

My views are formed by past bad experiences with trying to move or copy files between iDevices and Wintel PCs...  OMG what a tangled web that can be, for something conceptually so simple.

Then there was the time where an iOS update destroyed my well loved iPhone 4s - the battery life went from several days to a few hours - it was ridiculous.   Apple would not let me roll back the OS.  The perfectly good phone became junk...   I am still angry about that, years later, and it is absolutely a factor in me avoiding Apple phones to this day.

With my Android devices, I simply plug in a USB cord and have at it, just the way you'd expect it to work.

I agree that the Google stuff spies on you and tracks everything you do.  It sucks, but I avoid it by keeping a minimum of personally identifiable data on the phone.  I totally understand that I don't own my phone and that the landlord can do what he pleases.

I wish Microsoft/Nokia and/or Blackberry had been more successful, so we could have some alternatives to the current stale duopoly offerings...

Being “angry” for years is bad enough, but being angry at a personal TECHNOLOGICAL situation which, for all we know, could be down to your own lack of understanding or foresight, or personal biases, is plain irrational. Hanging onto that “anger” over one very specific situation with a very old phone, and closing your mind off to anything from then on, is extremely irrational too.

Missing those other platforms won’t get them back. I have a collection of Lumias and BlackBerry phones, but my wishing won’t make them popular again. They’re lovely though, and kept by me for sentimental reasons.

Rigidly refusing to try again, based on one bad experience, is extremely short-sighted.
 

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I agree that the Google stuff spies on you and tracks everything you do.  It sucks, but I avoid it by keeping a minimum of personally identifiable data on the phone.  I totally understand that I don't own my phone and that the landlord can do what he pleases.
Get a device that supports LineageOS and you can have Android without Google.
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with file sharing and synchronization through the cloud. Any file I want on my Windows desktop I just say "send to OneDrive" or "send to iCloud" and it works just as I need it to

Whereas with all my Android phones I can FTP into them, access a web-based file manager over wifi and upload/download individual files or automatically create a zip of them all to transfer en bloc, shove a USB cable up it, browse (on the phone) to any local PC share, use Nextcloud (despite its name it's a Dropbox clone running on-prem), ...

None of them accesses anyone elses machine, cloud or not, nor do they need to get permission off anyone but me.

Yep. Having the freedom of accessing your data in a strictly private manner and in standard ways is IMHO non-negotiable.
And that's at least one plus of Android.

“Standard” != best, necessarily.

For years, my Luddite friends would mock my iPhone “Oh, sorry, I can’t send you this photo over Bluetooth, your stupid iPhone doesn’t do Bluetooth file transfer”

Yeah, because my “stupid iPhone” is made by a company that are future-focused, and which later, developed the wonderful “AirDrop” protocol (Bluetooth for discovering and setting up the connection, WiFi for the actual file transfer.)

Using all platforms myself (because I’m open minded and need to find ways to do things across many platforms) means that I’m in the unique position in my community of friends and family, of being able to test things exhaustively for many years on all platforms, mobile and desktop, and then - if they ask - I’ll tell them which I think works best (usually Apple btw) and if they voice an irrational aversion to fruit, I don’t make idiotic and immature comments regarding my personal choices, but instead swiftly move on to find them a solution that works for their choice of devices; if they choose to disregard Apple/whatever company device/services, it’s not a matter of my ego or pride needing to “convert” them; if they ask my opinions (only if they ask!) I’ll tell them I prefer Apple because X,Y,Z, and give a couple of informed examples and even demonstrations (I’ll wait to see if they progress to wanting a demo - forcing that upon them is not my bag)

I’ll observe that I’ve often laughed when my Samsung fanboy friend has sat for about half an hour trying to send me tiny videos (2-3Gb) and trying all the nonsense “solutions” that Google as Samsung have collectively messed up, and mentioning that “Send Anywhere” app works really well (and said friend refuses, saying “I don’t want to install more apps” {and yet he’ll stubbornly sit there and waste our mutual time, trying to prove how Android can also do it as well… 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️😂})
 

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Not having a deep fundamental understanding of why Apple makes decisions to do things a certain way, doesn’t mean iOS is no good, it just means that the person observing them as such, is uneducated in the vast breadth and depth of the Apple way.
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You don’t become $3TN consumer technology company with a legendary reputation, without earning it. People mock what they don’t understand, and the more they mock Apple the more they show it, and every mention of the brand gets them into peoples minds.

You really did drink the Kool-Aid eh? It's absolutely amazing that you'd take the lack of a feature and try to spin it as a benefit because Apple came out with an alternative that's locked to their platform for no reason other than protectionism. If they'd implemented BT file transfer then...it would have just worked... Instead, you had no easy solution.

Apple is not your friend. They are not designing products to help you, they are designing products to make money. A big part of that is leveraging their monopoly to lock out their competition and ensure they get their pound of flesh for everything you do on your phone, whether they've earned it or not. That they can position this ridiculous abuse of your authority over the device you ostensibly own for to make it easier for them to tap your pocket book and folks like you will buy it is the genius of it all.

They're also not such brilliant engineers that they have the only viable product on the market. The fact that you think so is evidence of nothing more than the power of their marketing department.

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I’ll observe that I’ve often laughed when my Samsung fanboy friend has sat for about half an hour trying to send me tiny videos (2-3Gb) and trying all the nonsense “solutions” that Google as Samsung have collectively messed up, and mentioning that “Send Anywhere” app works really well (and said friend refuses, saying “I don’t want to install more apps” {and yet he’ll stubbornly sit there and waste our mutual time, trying to prove how Android can also do it as well… 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️😂})
Why do you blame this on Google / Android and not Apple, where the blame belongs? For one thing, Apple has never released an AirDrop specification or code. How would you expect it to work better, since in typical Apple style, they do not implement any alternative interoperable protocols for this? Nobody can implement their stuff, because they're protectionist about it, and they refuse to implement anyone else's, including standard protocols. Google's Nearby Share code is open source. How much do you want to bet Apple never adds it to iOS to improve this situation?

Why did this become the thread for shilling Apple anyway? If you're not happy with how Android handles permissions, good luck on iOS.
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You guys. 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

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Not having a deep fundamental understanding of why Apple makes decisions to do things a certain way, doesn’t mean iOS is no good, it just means that the person observing them as such, is uneducated in the vast breadth and depth of the Apple way.
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You don’t become $3TN consumer technology company with a legendary reputation, without earning it. People mock what they don’t understand, and the more they mock Apple the more they show it, and every mention of the brand gets them into peoples minds.

You really did drink the Kool-Aid eh? It's absolutely amazing that you'd take the lack of a feature and try to spin it as a benefit because Apple came out with an alternative that's locked to their platform for no reason other than protectionism. If they'd implemented BT file transfer then...it would have just worked... Instead, you had no easy solution.

Apple is not your friend. They are not designing products to help you, they are designing products to make money. A big part of that is leveraging their monopoly to lock out their competition and ensure they get their pound of flesh for everything you do on your phone, whether they've earned it or not. That they can position this ridiculous abuse of your authority over the device you ostensibly own for to make it easier for them to tap your pocket book and folks like you will buy it is the genius of it all.

They're also not such brilliant engineers that they have the only viable product on the market. The fact that you think so is evidence of nothing more than the power of their marketing department.

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I’ll observe that I’ve often laughed when my Samsung fanboy friend has sat for about half an hour trying to send me tiny videos (2-3Gb) and trying all the nonsense “solutions” that Google as Samsung have collectively messed up, and mentioning that “Send Anywhere” app works really well (and said friend refuses, saying “I don’t want to install more apps” {and yet he’ll stubbornly sit there and waste our mutual time, trying to prove how Android can also do it as well… 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️😂})
Why do you blame this on Google / Android and not Apple, where the blame belongs? For one thing, Apple has never released an AirDrop specification or code. How would you expect it to work better, since in typical Apple style, they do not implement any alternative interoperable protocols for this? Nobody can implement their stuff, because they're protectionist about it, and they refuse to implement anyone else's, including standard protocols. Google's Nearby Share code is open source. How much do you want to bet Apple never adds it to iOS to improve this situation?

Why did this become the thread for shilling Apple anyway? If you're not happy with how Android handles permissions, good luck on iOS.

Mighty angry aren’t we. 🙄

Apple don’t owe anyone the secrets behind their technology. You might live in freetard utopia, but differentiation and successful ideas  is what makes clever people money, and those inventions set apart the wheat from the chaff.

“Nearby Share”:

1: What a comical, idiotic name.
2: Only HOW many years too late?
3: It’s a crusty, clumsy effort and it’s never worked once for me (just like their proximity unlock for Chromebook)

Check out this “guide” from Captain bullshit random Indian tech site: https://www.guidingtech.com/fix-nearby-sharing-not-working-on-android/

If ya gonna fanboy, pick the winning side.

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it just means that the person observing them as such, is uneducated in the vast breadth and depth of the Apple way

You complain about the tone of some replies and yet still come out with this unprovoked and pointed barb. For all you know, those not toeing Apple's line do so because they are 'educated' in Apple's way, perhaps much more so than you.

Why on earth couldn't you have used 'unaware' or something similarly non-confrontational? You bloody well ask for someone to virtually  bop you on the nose, you know.

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Everybody's looking for something.

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused.

Sweet dreams are made of this??
 
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Mighty angry aren’t we. 🙄

I rather am. Apple's business model is ruining the tech industry writ large. They're far more egregious than anything Microsoft ever did in the 90s, and Microsoft actually got smacked down. They've found a convenient and clever excuse for egregious behaviour that the legislators seem to be buying, despite the damage it is doing to the market and consumer choice. There's no evidence that any regulator or legislator, at least in North America, even seems to be cognizant of Apple's abuses. They are pushing us backward to a world of platform exclusivity, protectionism, and control rather than the one we were heading for in the early 00s with federated, standardized protocols and openness. There's no reason for there not to be a standardized messaging protocol that all services use (XMPP...), and the same for voice/video chat, file sharing, and a variety of other things.

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Apple don’t owe anyone the secrets behind their technology. You might live in freetard utopia, but differentiation and successful ideas  is what makes clever people money, and those inventions set apart the wheat from the chaff.
|O There are no secrets. AirDrop is not a difficult thing to implement. If Apple's goal was usability, they would want it to become a standard, so that they could interoperate with many devices, and the users would be the winners without having to worry about what kind of device each other has. Or even better, they would promote it as an actual standard with IETF or similar, and get it ratified as something anyone anywhere can easily implement and interoperate with. Instead, they protect it, and don't allow anyone else to interoperate with them to try and pressure everyone into their little bubble. It's the same thing with FaceTime. Or iMessage. Or a litany of other Apple-only things. They are nothing special, the fact that they are Apple-exclusive and often by far the least-friction solution (by virtue of being unconfigurable defaults) is purely leverage they use against you to hold you on their platform.

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1: What a comical, idiotic name.
2: Only HOW many years too late?
3: It’s a crusty, clumsy effort and it’s never worked once for me (just like their proximity unlock for Chromebook)

1. Irrelevant. Like I said, you are clearly very susceptible to marketing. At least it clearly conveys its purpose.
2. Sure, but I have no idea how this refutes my point about Apple's protectionism harming consumers and actively harming the experience for their users in the interest of pushing people to their platform.
3. Eh, it just works for me. It's not exactly a hard thing to do, and considering your...bias...I'm not going to take your experience at face value.

The point is that it is open, and Apple can choose to implement it (like BT file transfer!) if they prioritized a good user experience, unlike Google implementing AirDrop which is not an option available to them. But they won't, because they are Apple and creating a world where tech interoperates well is not something they want to do. That would be good for consumers, and bad for locking them to Apple.

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Check out this “guide” from Captain bullshit random Indian tech site: https://www.guidingtech.com/fix-nearby-sharing-not-working-on-android/

Mighty similar to https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/airdrop-not-working-fix/ ... These blogs exist to hoover search results from people trying to use this stuff, they are no indication of widespread problems.

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:palm: Says the person that comes into a thread about Android as an Apple fanboy and refuses to acknowledge that his favourite company is at least as predatory and anti-consumer as any other? That acts like anything that comes out of Apple's anus is gold-plated chocolate, despite the smell? That's so brainwashed they've come around to believe anyone that doesn't also love the smell must be an idiot, and happily and arrogantly expresses that attitude in public?

I'm no Android fanboy. It's a functional product, just like iOS, I am just very tired of people thinking that sunshine and rainbows emit from Apple's ass. They are one of the most predatory companies to ever exist. Be more critical of them.
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They are pushing us backward to a world of platform exclusivity, protectionism, and control rather than the one we were heading for in the early 00s with federated, standardized protocols and openness.

I don't think Apple is pushing anyone. They make products and people buy them. It is the market expressing its preference.

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There's no reason for there not to be a standardized messaging protocol that all services use (XMPP...), and the same for voice/video chat, file sharing, and a variety of other things.

If there is no reason for there not to be such things, then surely such things would prevail? People would prefer them, and would prefer devices that offer them, and the market would decide.

But what I think happens is that 99% of phone buyers are not technical, or technologists. They are just consumers that want to buy products with a polished design that just work. And this is what happens if you buy Apple. Inside the Apple ecosystem, everything is smooth, reliable, predictable and supported. It just works. Apple has made a nice walled garden with a big open door and a sign that says "Enter here and be happy!"

It is hard really to blame Apple for this. They are delivering what the market wants, as evidenced by the fact that their products sell by the billion. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple.
 

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Being “angry” [about Apple refusing to roll back failed upgrade] for years is bad [...]

Well, instead of "angry", perhaps substitute "disappointed that Apple ruined my perfectly good phone for no discernible good reason".     Since my disappointment (and financial loss) was directly caused by Apple's policies rather than any technological obstacle, I decided to not purchase products from a company whose policies I disagree with, if reasonable alternatives are available.  Is that not fair?

Back in the day, I had to reformat my PC hard drive after Sony's root kit debacle ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal).  Sony ended up on my blacklist; is that not reasonable?   They cost me many hours of work, due to their policies which I obviously disagreed very strongly with.

My wife uses an iPad.  She keeps running into problems getting large video files from the device over to her PC.  Of course, some way of getting the data transferred locally at high speed is called for.  On her Android phone, she plugs in via USB and gets the job done in short order.    - She is now at the next upgrade cycle, the iPad is getting a little old and slow.   Guess what she wants?   A Windows tablet or small laptop "that doesn't get in my way".  She is disappointed with her iPad and is not buying another one.

To cut a long story short, when a consumer is disappointed, they buy something else going forward.   Those decisions are hard to change...   once you've bought a lemon from a car company, you probably won't buy that brand again even if they make decent cars now...  because now you found other solutions that you are happy with, why go back to something you got burned with in the past?


 

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There's no reason for there not to be a standardized messaging protocol that all services use (XMPP...), and the same for voice/video chat, file sharing, and a variety of other things.

If there is no reason for there not to be such things, then surely such things would prevail? People would prefer them, and would prefer devices that offer them, and the market would decide.

You pretty much answer that yourself in the next paragraph - users don't know about protocols and standards so are typically unable to say "I would like this to use XMPP". And even if they did, they can't vote with their wallet because some other feature might outweigh the disadvantages. It's like our alleged democracy - because one party got in it's assumed everyone voted for ALL their policies, whereas in fact a voter probably just got swayed by one or two and the rest came as baggage.
 

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I don't think Apple is pushing anyone. They make products and people buy them. It is the market expressing its preference.

The market is expressing its preference for slick products that work well, sure. They're not expressing a preference for vendor-locked protocols and products that constantly rent-seek. That the slick, well marketed products happen to be vendor-locked is at best incidental as far as they're concerned. They aren't thinking about interoperability, or the fact that this vendor-locking is being used against them. This is Apple's whole schtick. Users don't care about protocols and business models, they just want it to work well. They don't realize or care that these choices by Apple are what causes them not to be able to interoperate with each other. They just sigh and say 'I guess I'll get an iPhone next time'. Or more likely they've been platform-locked for a decade and don't even consider switching - and that's not accidental either.

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If there is no reason for there not to be such things, then surely such things would prevail? People would prefer them, and would prefer devices that offer them, and the market would decide.

I guess I could qualify it with technical reason. The business reason for Apple is obvious. They want you captive on their platform. It goes a little further than just not creating standard, interoperable protocols though. They actively discourage or create friction for alternative options as well, by not allowing configurable defaults, enforcing strict 'privacy' rules, and so on.

How great would it be if you had a choice of messaging providers that could all interoperate with each other. Pick one you trust, with policies you can get behind. Or even self-host, and you can chat with everyone from a single app/service, rather than using half a dozen, some of which you really hate? I can't imagine that consumers wouldn't get behind something like this, the problem is that it only works if everyone is behind it, and as long as Apple's obstructionist and holds a significant part of the market, it's a non-starter.

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It is hard really to blame Apple for this. They are delivering what the market wants, as evidenced by the fact that their products sell by the billion. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple.

Sure it's hard to blame Apple, they're a corporation and they're going to extract as much profit as they can get away with. Blame lies with the courts, legislators, and regulators that have as yet failed to see any of this as anti-consumer or anti-trust behaviour that should be checked. It's way more damaging than anything Microsoft ever did, but Apple has found a clever loophole where they are 'not a monopoly' but through technological measures can cause all the same kinds of market distortions. And everyone else is now following them down this path, as they lead by example to a place I don't want the technology industry to go. So while I don't blame Apple per se, it doesn't mean I'm going to support them.
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How great would it be if you had a choice of messaging providers

Or even just browsers. On any other platform there are a plethora to choose from, but on iPhone there is webkit and.. that's it. Even Google's Chrome has to be lipstick on webkit, so no iPhone user could run a more up-to-date or feature-rich browser.

 

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How great would it be if you had a choice of messaging providers

Or even just browsers. On any other platform there are a plethora to choose from, but on iPhone there is webkit and.. that's it. Even Google's Chrome has to be lipstick on webkit, so no iPhone user could run a more up-to-date or feature-rich browser.

Well…  Not so much.  For most people, it's basically Chrome, Firefox, Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, or Chrome.

Is one of the reasons I stick with Firefox…  We really need to keep at least ONE decent alternative to Chrome in play on PC's and other non-Apple platforms as well — and as someone who uses both, I really do actually prefer Firefox anyhow.  Chrome is my backup browser mostly for when I don't want to start Firefox (with the 13 windows, and over 2K open tabs — yeah, I probably need to clean those up.  It's on my TODO list.), or for odd occasions when Firefox simply refuses to work with a page (it happens…  it ALSO happens that Chrome sometimes does the same, so having a second browser with a different rendering engine is simply a good idea.)
 
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How great would it be if you had a choice of messaging providers

Or even just browsers. On any other platform there are a plethora to choose from, but on iPhone there is webkit and.. that's it. Even Google's Chrome has to be lipstick on webkit, so no iPhone user could run a more up-to-date or feature-rich browser.

Well…  Not so much.  For most people, it's basically Chrome, Firefox, Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, or Chrome.

Is one of the reasons I stick with Firefox…  We really need to keep at least ONE decent alternative to Chrome in play on PC's and other non-Apple platforms as well — and as someone who uses both, I really do actually prefer Firefox anyhow.  Chrome is my backup browser mostly for when I don't want to start Firefox (with the 13 windows, and over 2K open tabs — yeah, I probably need to clean those up.  It's on my TODO list.), or for odd occasions when Firefox simply refuses to work with a page (it happens…  it ALSO happens that Chrome sometimes does the same, so having a second browser with a different rendering engine is simply a good idea.)
Its much better now than 20 years ago, when M$ Internet Exploder was the only browser which worked on most sites. A lot of credit is given to Firefox and smaller browsers such as Opera for the current level of website-multi-browser-interoperability, but the fact that M$ failed on the smartphone is the main reason.
 

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Its much better now than 20 years ago, when M$ Internet Exploder was the only browser which worked on most sites. A lot of credit is given to Firefox and smaller browsers such as Opera for the current level of website-multi-browser-interoperability, but the fact that M$ failed on the smartphone is the main reason.

I don't know if that's "the main reason"… I recall IE struggling long before smartphones were a general thing.  But I do believe we still face the very real possibility of going backwards again, if it becomes a Chrome monoculture.
 

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Its much better now than 20 years ago, when M$ Internet Exploder was the only browser which worked on most sites. A lot of credit is given to Firefox and smaller browsers such as Opera for the current level of website-multi-browser-interoperability, but the fact that M$ failed on the smartphone is the main reason.

I don't know if that's "the main reason"… I recall IE struggling long before smartphones were a general thing.  But I do believe we still face the very real possibility of going backwards again, if it becomes a Chrome monoculture.

Monochrome?    :P
 

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But I do believe we still face the very real possibility of going backwards again, if it becomes a Chrome monoculture.
Chrome (or at least most of it) is open source so anyone can make a fork. There's Chromium for those who just want Chrome without Google.
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Offline SiliconWizard

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But I do believe we still face the very real possibility of going backwards again, if it becomes a Chrome monoculture.
Chrome (or at least most of it) is open source so anyone can make a fork. There's Chromium for those who just want Chrome without Google.

Chromium is not completely "without Google", as far as I got it.
A completely "ungoogled" version exists: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
Though, I tried it and upon fiddling with some settings, it did freeze badly hogging CPU resources, and it took me some time to kill it... :-DD So i guess it's not completely ready for prime time...
 

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I'm just waiting for the day when the kids don't remember that the thing chrome is used for, was once called "the internet".
 

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In 2015, over TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND different makes and models of Android smartphones existed (it’s probably more now), not to mention their DISASTROUSLY amusing attempt at tablets.

So, the developers of Android apps have to ensure their apps will run on any one of these almost countless devices, with their different screen sizes, different processors, unknown versions of Android (maybe as far back as versions from 2011!!), not knowing whether the phone has the latest security updates to prevent malware, hacking etc, different EVERYTHING.

Stuff that junk. Apple wins ALWAYS. This is my firm opinion after having given many, many Android phones a chance over the last 10+ years. The manufacturers always exaggerate claims of performance, and guaranteed ALWAYS fail to deliver on their promises, not one single exception.

They abandon phones after a year or two (usually one year - you’ll likely see one or ZERO Android OS updates, as they just wanna “upgrade” you to their latest junk phone, which will end you up in exactly the same position in a year or two). Disgraceful, and ridiculous.

My Mum’s 2015 iPhone SE (1) is on the very latest iOS (15.3) from 2021, and is working flawlessly and speedily. My iPhone 8 from 2017, also has iOS 15.3 and flies along, and will get iOS 16 later this year. That’s FIVE YEARS of iOS version upgrades (it came with iOS 11)

Garbage Android. It only has exists to compete with iPhone. Google have been too preoccupied with “beating” (and hugely failing) Apple, instead of the pragmatic approach which would be to put blinkers on and work HARD to make sure that they are the best at what they do - NEVER MIND ANYONE ELSE - fix YOUR PROBLEMS.

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We know you don't like it, but despite the flaws you may think you've spotted, there are far more users of Android than iOS so you're missing something.

Why do you feel the need to keep banging on about this? You're not going to convert anyone and you're not exactly encouraging reasoned debate. AFAICS you just pop up to have another troll when you're bored, to blow off your frustrations (maybe with your phone?). Maybe you should seek professional help rather then pick virtual fights here.
 
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