Is this the industial method of mass soldering or cheapo way??

[Simon]

The stealing .... its an myth ...  Greece had offer so much to this planet as knowledge ,
and nothing was patented  or limited ....  The Greeks did the R&D , and they gave it as gift to any one.

Outsourcing is not the Chinese fault. In my opinion the world is using the Chinese to stave off economic depression by offsetting inflation.  I cannot see it lasting forever though and it seems as if we are all ignoring that some day the bill will come due for everyone. Unsafe work environments and poor quality control won't matter to anyone until they are forced to deal with them themselves. Nobody is immune to what they are willing to accept for others.

you hit the nail on the head. you account of "faultfinding" on copies reminds me of a crap product we bought at work, not that it was a copy but obviously done on the cheap by an incompetent person and i picked up many "fine points" of circuit design which naturally went right over my work places heads.

Yes the ultimate problem with the chinese is they have no care for quality, but at the end of the day it is OUR fault for buying from them !

how much was your mattress ? out of the factory it was £10 !

[Kiriakos-GR]

Honestly, if I were Chinese I would be trying to copy the high quality

Some people they forget how the game began ....

Europe started to be the technological leader ...  " industrial revolution "  no more horses .. engines..
Cars industry .... electric appliances ... electronics ..   
Then the Japanese got in the game  by copying anything  at 1970 ,
Korea  joined in the dance .... Malaysia  Taiwan  ... and now China ...

Its like some one to give and take back ,  an wave of pleasure as "Good morning",  and an wave of pain as "goodbye"   ( the profits of the generated technology ) .

The only one who had left outside of this peculiar dance around the Globe are India.
 

[Simon]

don't worry india are churning out cheap high quality clothing that comes "pre ripped"

[Rhythmtech]

Honestly, if I were Chinese I would be trying to copy the high quality

Some people they forget how the game began ....

Europe started to be the technological leader ...  " industrial revolution "  no more horses .. engines..
Cars industry .... electric appliances ... electronics ..   
Then the Japanese got in the game  by copying anything  at 1970 ,
Korea  joined in the dance .... Malaysia  Taiwan  ... and now China ...

Its like some one to give and take back ,  an wave of pleasure as "Good morning",  and an wave of pain as "goodbye"   ( the profits of the generated technology ) .

The only one who had left outside of this peculiar dance around the Globe are India.
 

With Intel having a design center in India, the huge Info Tech training centers, call centers for the whole world, etc.. How are they being left out?

Their biggest export at one point was people and they certainly have infiltrated the Information technologies development and design sector in force. 

While in school I used books published specifically for the India training and education markets dubbed "International Versions" or "Developing Country version" printed by American Publishers, that were about 1/4 of the cost of buying the US version which were identical except the international version had a soft cover and not as nice paper. Basically, if I was buying the books available at my school book store I was helping fund cheaper education overseas. So we American students were shouldering the costs of publication of books to educate people in the rest of the world. The publishers even sued but lost because the content was the same so a copyright did not apply.

[Kiriakos-GR]

Please make me the favor to not pronounce what INTEL and MICROSOFT does as education..

This " Knowledge "  becomes obsolete , in just few months ..

But anything that you have learn from Pythagoras in math , still stands...  for about 5000 years and still goes.

[Simon]

well I'm afraid that if it was not for intel and microsoft we'd not be having this discussion ! unless Pythagoras also invented computers and the internet in Greece !

[Kiriakos-GR]

well I'm afraid that if it was not for intel and microsoft we'd not be having this discussion ! unless Pythagoras also invented computers and the internet in Greece !

Do not go there ...    

Antikythera mechanism  This model has data logging , our next model will have and USB port 
 

[Simon]

somehow I was expecting something like that  very clever, but mines bigger than yours  : Stonehenge

[Kiriakos-GR]

clever, but mines bigger than yours  : Stonehenge

This phrase  " but mines bigger than yours "  keeps this planet running  

If we did not had this little portion of ego to motivate as , we would all sleeping under the trees all day ,
with out passion for anything..    

And talking about size , Egypt has it larger ...     ( Pyramids )  

[Rhythmtech]

Please make me the favor to not pronounce what INTEL and MICROSOFT does as education..

This " Knowledge "  becomes obsolete , in just few months ..

But anything that you have learn from Pythagoras in math , still stands...  for about 5000 years and still goes.

I think you misunderstood. I mentioned Intel as an example of how the resources of India's cheap labor is used much the same way China is.

I think the world does enough to recognize Greece for its contributions to law, math, science, and civilization, do you not agree? Everyone learns a^2 + b^2 = c^2 in math here and the contributions of Plato and Aristotle and how pi was determined using Euclid's method. Many words in our languages have words based on the Greek language.

[Simon]

I think it is widely taihgt in schools the part that greece played in getting civilization off the ground so kiriakos can relax on that and stop acting like we don't know Greece exists

[Kiriakos-GR]

I think you misunderstood. I mentioned Intel as an example of how the resources of India's cheap labor is used much the same way China is.

The word "cheap labor"  its an financial generic term, not necessarily an bad thing.

If I can live  in Greece , with one dollar per day as earning , and all my bills be payed too,
this is an bless ..  

I think the world does enough to recognize Greece for its contributions to law, math, science, and civilization, do you not agree?

1) I agree that in the class room , if you do not kiss the ass of Plato and Aristotle , you do not get an diploma.

2) I agree that in your own life , with out this base of knowledge , you will be always working at loading trucks , never an job in an office.

3) I agree that , if you master this knowledge , you can become an top ranked person.

4) I agree that when you become an such " top ranked person " , you forget easily who made you,
who was your sources ,  and you act by your pure ego.

There is no logical explanation to me , how its possible all this top rank people ,
highly educated bankers , to enjoying  so much  , to see the world becoming dust ,  from their actions ..

My bottom sentence are that the knowledge coming from Greeks,
its an lethal weapon if you use it incorrectly.  
And so far , all the planet does just that ... they using it incorrectly.    

Personally I have an medium education, but even so ,
I am aware of the importance about protecting the source of knowledge,
from warlords  and bankers.

It possible to belong to the elite team of the  "more passioned" Greeks,
or its on the DNA ..  

But thats the way that I feel.  
  





    

[Rhythmtech]

The word "cheap labor"  its an financial generic term, not necessarily an bad thing.

If I can live  in Greece , with one dollar per day as earning , and all my bills be payed too,
this is an bless .. 

Yes, although I would say cheap labor is a relative term not generic. Since cheap is only relative to what labor costs in your area.

I think the world does enough to recognize Greece for its contributions to law, math, science, and civilization, do you not agree?
1) I agree that in the class room , if you do not kiss the ass of Plato and Aristotle , you do not get an diploma.

2) I agree that in your own life , with out this base of knowledge , you will be always working at loading trucks , never an job in an office.

3) I agree that , if you master this knowledge , you can become an top ranked person.

4) I agree that when you become an such " top ranked person " , you forget easily who made you,
who was your sources ,  and you act by your pure ego.

There is no logical explanation to me , how its possible all this top rank people ,
highly educated bankers , to enjoying  so much  , to see the world becoming dust ,  from their actions ..

My bottom sentence are that the knowledge coming from Greeks,
its an lethal weapon if you use it incorrectly. 
And so far , all the planet does just that ... they using it incorrectly.   

Personally I have an medium education, but even so ,
I am aware of the importance about protecting the source of knowledge,
from warlords  and bankers.

It possible to belong to the elite team of the  "more passioned" Greeks,
or its on the DNA .. 

But thats the way that I feel. 
 

It has been the same with religion, people kill each other for a God that is supposed to be merciful and forgiving, and the same in politics, a politician who says he will bring peace starts a war, and the same in...

The story of power corrupting and knowledge being power is as old as history can record. The problem is that there are evil people and  always will be. I don't think you can teach a person to be good, it must be a decision on their part because it often takes more effort to do the right thing than the wrong.

 

[Mechatrommer]

i agree. good or bad is not related to any religion, politic, country or even any matter on earth, but it will depend on the person themselve. anywhere, any religion, any country, we will got bad and good people.

[Kiriakos-GR]

Well If some one choose to become an bad person, most of the times, he gets payed by the same coin.
But the damage , is made .

What bothers me the most , are the the implanted by "brain wash"  idea ,
about superior nations at the year of 2010.

But I think that I aware of the cure .... start traveling ... Do not let others telling how the world looks like.
 




 

[Simon]

But I think that I aware of the cure .... start traveling ... Do not let others telling how the world looks like.
 




 

oh he finally figured out what he needs 

[Kiriakos-GR]

oh he finally figured out what he needs  

Yep   , plus something with pleasurable look, so to escort me ..  

(Jimmy Fontana _ Il mondo )

[Simon]

oh he finally figured out what he needs  

Yep   , plus something with pleasurable look, so to escort me ..  

(Jimmy Fontana _ Il mondo )

Now your asking for a bit too much 

[Rhythmtech]

Well If some one choose to become an bad person, most of the times, he gets payed by the same coin.
But the damage , is made .

What bothers me the most , are the the implanted by "brain wash"  idea ,
about superior nations at the year of 2010.

But I think that I aware of the cure .... start traveling ... Do not let others telling how the world looks like.

 

I am happy in the US and consider this the best place for me at the moment. I spent a large part of my life in Costa Rica because my parents moved there when I was 5 yrs old and we moved back when I was 16. So I can say I have "traveled" in addition I've gone to Colombia, Guatemala, Panama, and Mexico. All were places that had qualities I liked very much, but the US has had the most to offer in terms of safety, a job, and freedom.  I don't consider it a superior nation, just the best for me.