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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #125 on: February 04, 2021, 10:21:29 am »
Yeah but that Jbox abomination. The thing is, the bare single exposed conductors aside, I just don't like idea of pumping 10,16,20A through a plastic jbox. We are supposed to nail the bloody things to a fixture.

Yes it's supposed to be fixed, but no those boxes aren't an issue.

Do I understand correctly? Did they drag a new wire through from the fuse box and stop short and join it in the roof instead of taking it all the way to iso switch?

Yes, they just spliced into the existing short wire. There is no iso switch near the unit, that's the job of the new circuit breaker in the fuse box.
 

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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #126 on: February 04, 2021, 10:26:06 am »
Yeah but that Jbox abomination. The thing is, the bare single exposed conductors aside, I just don't like idea of pumping 10,16,20A through a plastic jbox. We are supposed to nail the bloody things to a fixture.

Yes it's supposed to be fixed, but no those boxes aren't an issue.

Do I understand correctly? Did they drag a new wire through from the fuse box and stop short and join it in the roof instead of taking it all the way to iso switch?

Yes, they just spliced into the existing short wire. There is no iso switch near the unit, that's the job of the new circuit breaker in the fuse box.

Ah, right no iso at the unit. Ok. If it were my house I'd just put one in. They should have pulled the wire through to the A/C. That's up to shit.
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #127 on: February 04, 2021, 01:53:11 pm »
Can you buy the parts and cable in Oz without a sparky ticket? As a rural home owner in the US, I'd fix that abomination myself, after having the lawyer and both county and township  zoning inspectors out for a look.

Even in lax rural Ohio that would get a ticket pulled or a fake sparkle fined.

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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #128 on: February 04, 2021, 03:39:31 pm »
There is no iso switch near the unit, that's the job of the new circuit breaker in the fuse box.

Still doesn't comply with 4.19. Cowboys.

E: And now I've seen the photo. Get a refund, hire a real electrician.
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #129 on: February 05, 2021, 01:14:37 am »
Can you buy the parts and cable in Oz without a sparky ticket?
As far as I can tell, you can buy anything you like** - but using it in a fixed installation situation (such as this) will put you on the wrong side of the law, unless you have the appropriate licencing.

** Piggy-back plugs are, I believe, restricted - because you have geniuses who, if they have two on hand and no inline socket, use what they have to make up an "extension cord".  :palm:
 

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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #130 on: February 05, 2021, 06:38:01 am »
 

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« Reply #131 on: February 05, 2021, 06:44:39 am »
One thing you can do as a result of this.

Change the A/C breaker for a single din RCD and put some of those back room GPOs on that circuit.

You have a third power circuit.
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #132 on: February 05, 2021, 06:52:50 am »
Well, still appears to fail on numerous points. It's slightly less shit now..
 

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« Reply #133 on: February 05, 2021, 07:09:21 am »
Well, still appears to fail on numerous points. It's slightly less shit now..

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« Reply #134 on: February 05, 2021, 07:48:44 am »
Just referring to time stamp 3:40 on your dodgy air cond wiring . It appears that there is an orange wire approx 150 mm long behind the switchboard with a bare copper end . This may constitute an electrical shock hazard and should be investigated promptly for your own safety .  Thanks for the interesting videos and I hope I have put this in the correct section of your site.
 
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #135 on: February 05, 2021, 10:38:36 am »
Yeah but that Jbox abomination. The thing is, the bare single exposed conductors aside, I just don't like idea of pumping 10,16,20A through a plastic jbox. We are supposed to nail the bloody things to a fixture.

Yes it's supposed to be fixed, but no those boxes aren't an issue.

Do I understand correctly? Did they drag a new wire through from the fuse box and stop short and join it in the roof instead of taking it all the way to iso switch?

Yes, they just spliced into the existing short wire. There is no iso switch near the unit, that's the job of the new circuit breaker in the fuse box.

I am sure you can write off the cost of AS3000 for EEVBlog purposes, I suggest having a read of clauses 2.3.4.5 or 4.8.2.3 and 4.19 about Isolation switches. The requirement to have a lockable isolating switch adjacent to the air conditioner came in to play in the 2018.

Suggest to the other party that you are considering taking it up with your local regulator about getting the installation inspected but make sure there is no other dodgy wiring in your house or it could become a bigger issue than it is.
 

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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #136 on: February 05, 2021, 10:56:08 am »
I would take a look into the boxes in the attic.
I've the bad feeling that there are some little surprises hidden inside.
Like only twisted together and wrapped with electrical tape.
 

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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #137 on: February 05, 2021, 02:34:35 pm »
OMG!

My house is smaller than yours, but take at look at this....

Main box:

1165816-0


Garage box (secondary box):

1165820-1


Meter and fuse are outside the house, ground is in backyard, with a connection box.



That's in Spain, a 2018 renewed installation.



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« Reply #138 on: February 05, 2021, 09:46:01 pm »
That's in Spain, a 2018 renewed installation.

Yes, they wouldn't instal la box like this now, but it was different in the 80's.
 
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #139 on: February 05, 2021, 09:48:22 pm »
That's in Spain, a 2018 renewed installation.

Yes, they wouldn't instal la box like this now, but it was different in the 80's.

Honestly you probably should have that old mess cleaned up, it's fairly horrifying. Especially with random wires sticking out. Also, who knows what's going on with all the grounds in that blob of tape and suffering.
 
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #140 on: February 05, 2021, 09:52:59 pm »
I too noticed the wires hanging out too. I can't believe you could be there and not see that.
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #141 on: February 05, 2021, 09:58:32 pm »
That's in Spain, a 2018 renewed installation.

Yes, they wouldn't instal la box like this now, but it was different in the 80's.

Dave, shame on you... You are EE!


EDIT:

My mother house (flat) is from '91. It has a smaller box, with 1 "differential" (ground fault interruptor) and 5 power control units (bipolar all of them). Before "intelligent" meters there was also a ICPM (power switch, sealed by company to check maximum instant consuption). But everything inside house, pr9tected in a non-metal box....

Also fuses and meters (originally analogic ones), always outside home. In this case in a special room in ground level of the building. This is useful for companies, they can cut electric flow if you don't pay.... (all these rooms have a master key that all electric companies have).
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #142 on: February 05, 2021, 10:27:23 pm »
Suggest to the other party that you are considering taking it up with your local regulator about getting the installation inspected but make sure there is no other dodgy wiring in your house or it could become a bigger issue than it is.
no other dodgy wiring like those unsegregated "alarm" cables etc, probably a world of pain if the whole installation was checked over.
 
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #143 on: February 05, 2021, 11:30:02 pm »
Wow  Your Fuse Box Looks Like something from the Third world .
Book Of Horrors . So glad I don't live in house with that wiring it would keep me
up at nights holding a fire Extinguisher .
That type of fuse board Layout was banned here 30 ++ years ago.
 And did you not see that wire just flapping in the wind with a bared end ..  :palm:
 
 
 
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #144 on: February 05, 2021, 11:35:45 pm »
That type of fuse board Layout was banned here 30 ++ years ago.

The house is about 35 years old.
 
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« Reply #145 on: February 05, 2021, 11:44:26 pm »
That type of fuse board Layout was banned here 30 ++ years ago.

The house is about 35 years old.
Dave . I would really recommend you Get that Box Totally Replaced with the new rail Mount
enclosure and a complete rewire .
  I would hate for one of your future Video's  showing how your house went up in smoke .
 That Box layout is a real NO NO . I would but that on your
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #146 on: February 06, 2021, 12:23:27 am »
That type of fuse board Layout was banned here 30 ++ years ago.

The house is about 35 years old.
Dave . I would really recommend you Get that Box Totally Replaced with the new rail Mount
enclosure and a complete rewire .
  I would hate for one of your future Video's  showing how your house went up in smoke .
 That Box layout is a real NO NO . I would but that on your
" I must do list as number 1 project . "  .. Do it for the Kids Safety if nothing else ..

The layout is fine and quite common. Portable heaters here burn down many more houses than fuse boxes.
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #147 on: February 06, 2021, 12:25:10 am »
The layout is fine and quite common. Portable heaters here burn down many more houses than fuse boxes.

But it's a bastard horrible mess which has clearly been hacked on by people who don't know what they're doing.
 
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« Reply #148 on: February 06, 2021, 12:27:36 am »
The layout is fine and quite common. Portable heaters here burn down many more houses than fuse boxes.

But it's a bastard horrible mess which has clearly been hacked on by people who don't know what they're doing.

Err. Yeah.
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Re: Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)
« Reply #149 on: February 06, 2021, 12:34:23 am »
The house is about 35 years old.

What material is the swinging panel made of--the one that the breakers are mounted on?
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