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Is this Wiring Legal? (NSW)

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Monkeh:

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--- Quote from: sibeen on December 07, 2020, 04:18:36 am ---I'm not sure that the powers that be would be entirely thrilled to see a copy of the latest version of AS/NZ 3000 especially as they lke to flog it off for $A220.

https://www.techstreet.com/sa/searches/30039054?searchText=AS%2FNZS+3000%3A2018

I'd suggest that the mods of this forum get rid of that post before shit hits the fan.

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The greedy bastards wouldn't be losing anything, so they can get over it. It's readily available via much easier and faster methods than contacting me..

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I was actually commenting upon the link that GlennSprigg put up on the first page of this thread which has the full document. That could get this site into legal difficulties.

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Oh, I missed that. Yes, that's probably best gone. I stand by 'greedy bastards'..

Someone:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on December 06, 2020, 09:52:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on December 06, 2020, 09:43:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on December 06, 2020, 09:24:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppercone2 on December 06, 2020, 09:18:47 pm ---I don't know why people are looking at regulation rather then the fact its not practical. They should make it practical for a home owner in case of contingencies.
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I looked at both. Not to mention the quality of the work.

The practicality is in fact a regulation (see my post on that..), but Dave wanted actual regulations to throw at them as opposed to an untrained customer saying "that's not how I think it should be".
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You didn't look carefully. Your partial quote of the standards is misleading/deceptive, a power point is an acceptable isolation method both practically and by the standards.
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I have read quite carefully, I suggest you have another go:
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a) I didn't need to read it as I know whats accepted in practice
b) you're still thinking you can at a quick read pick out some clauses and apply them without considering all the applicable clauses
Its a standard, its not particularly easy to follow or read, and has built up an illogical structure and wording over its long history.

Monkeh:

--- Quote from: Someone on December 07, 2020, 05:57:39 am ---a) I didn't need to read it as I know whats accepted in practice
b) you're still thinking you can at a quick read pick out some clauses and apply them without considering all the applicable clauses
Its a standard, its not particularly easy to follow or read, and has built up an illogical structure and wording over its long history.

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So which clause overrides a specific requirement for a lockable isolator at an AC system?

I'll point out for the hard of reading (that'd be you!) that Dave has said there is no means of isolation except the breaker. That would mean no 'power point', assuming my guess that you mean 'socket' is correct.

Simon:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on December 04, 2020, 10:26:20 am ---
--- Quote from: Ian.M on December 04, 2020, 10:03:12 am ---So post your photos to a new topic there, and when they are horrified, find a code enforcement contact to email them to.  I suspect you are going to need to stop payment and contact your lawyer . . .

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Have posted.
https://www.electriciansforums.net/threads/is-this-aircon-wiring-install-legal.191943/
Lawyer? Are you serious? Why? So I can pay them hundreds of bucks to send a nasty letter  :-DD

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In the UK I would have though that getting the regulator of electricians to take a look would be enough, they would then be struck off but in the UK they are quite pedantic apparently. Last time I had work done the electrician was really worried about if my earth wire was 10sqmm or 16sqmm and once you translate that to round cable of any potential strand size it's near impossible to tell them apart. He concluded that mine was 16sqmm and that an inspector could not disagree so let me off having him rerun it.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on December 07, 2020, 06:15:13 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on December 07, 2020, 05:57:39 am ---a) I didn't need to read it as I know whats accepted in practice
b) you're still thinking you can at a quick read pick out some clauses and apply them without considering all the applicable clauses
Its a standard, its not particularly easy to follow or read, and has built up an illogical structure and wording over its long history.

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So which clause overrides a specific requirement for a lockable isolator at an AC system?

I'll point out for the hard of reading (that'd be you!) that Dave has said there is no means of isolation except the breaker. That would mean no 'power point', assuming my guess that you mean 'socket' is correct.

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Also there was no labeling, so potentially dangerous to someone working on the system thinking the aircon breakers were switched off.
Didn't hear back from today...

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