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Offline JPortici

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2020, 09:29:34 pm »
and YT shouldn't get anything for providing massive amounts of storage and bandwidth?

I have an android phone. They get too much money already from giving my data to their paying customers
besides, have you ever seen that meme about bandwidth for the content vs bandwidth for the ads?
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2020, 09:43:15 pm »
uBlock is great. Too bad, some websites lock their content, if they see an adblock.

I use uBlock for several years (+5), maybe only 4 sites blocked me, but I also use NoScript and I blocked those websites script, now they don't block me anymore.
 

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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2020, 09:45:04 pm »
The creators will get more if you give to them using Bitcoin, Patreon, Subscribestar, etc. and then use an adblocker to remove the ads.
That's too much trouble for me, especially since adblocker doesn't work on Android YT app. I like convenience Premium gives me, including downloading videos without any third party tools.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2020, 09:54:23 pm »
I only use it on my PC with an adblocker anymore, it became completely unusable on other platforms, the ads are not only annoying in general but the way they're patched in makes it greatly more irritating. The video you're watching will just cut out mid-word an an ad starts blaring.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2020, 09:59:07 pm »
uBlock is great. Too bad, some websites lock their content, if they see an adblock.
We need an Adblock blocker blocker.
And something for TV Youtube would be nice. Other than a PiHole.

When I encounter one of those I reload the page 5 or 6 times to waste their bandwidth and then go elsewhere. Maybe some day they'll learn that some people will tolerate ads and some people won't, but most of those who could potentially be swayed will ditch and never bothered to return if they're blocked from getting in.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2020, 10:03:41 pm »
and YT shouldn't get anything for providing massive amounts of storage and bandwidth?

Not my problem, I'm not a charity for corporations. It's up to them to find a viable business model, and given YT is part of Google which is one of the wealthiest corporations in the world they don't seem to be having a problem with that. They make billions of dollars just harvesting data and building profiles on those who visit the site and watch the videos. There are also lots of ways of advertising that are not intrusive or disruptive, the advertisers have done it to themselves and have only themselves to blame. They made the choice of making ads ever more annoying in a desperate grab for our attention and the result has been an ever increasing number of people who get fed up and just block it all.
 
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2020, 10:05:38 pm »
Is it just me, or is virtually every YouTube video NOW plagued with at LEAST 4 times as many Ads, that seem
to be automatically edited in, beyond what the 'poster' may have wanted affiliated with their post???  :P

No, they are not edited in. Youtueb are just inserting more midroll ads.
Those with Youtube Premium never see any ads.
 

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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2020, 10:07:56 pm »
I have YouTube Premium sub, so no ads anywhere. And I support creators that I watch.
The creators will get more if you give to them using Bitcoin, Patreon, Subscribestar, etc. and then use an adblocker to remove the ads.

Yes, but most people watch videos on Youtueb from countless different creator, most of whom you'll never bother to support or donate to. Youtube Premium is at lest a way to ensure that the creator of every video you watch gets something.
 

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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2020, 10:09:02 pm »
Youtube is unusable without an ad blocker.

Or you simply pony up some cash and get Youtube Premium, over half of which goes to the creators you watch.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2020, 10:12:45 pm »
and YT shouldn't get anything for providing massive amounts of storage and bandwidth?
Not my problem, I'm not a charity for corporations. It's up to them to find a viable business model

They have, it's called Youtube Premium.
 
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2020, 10:18:03 pm »
and YT shouldn't get anything for providing massive amounts of storage and bandwidth?
Not my problem, I'm not a charity for corporations. It's up to them to find a viable business model

They have, it's called Youtube Premium.

Some will pay, some will use an ad blocker, serving videos to those using blockers is just a cost of doing business IMO, they're making a fortune so it seems to be working. I watch youtube so little that it's not even really worth subscribing, maybe 5 or 6 videos a month but it's probably a good deal for those who watch it more.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2021, 03:43:01 pm »
I totally agree with those who use adblockers and such. Hell, when some tech youtuber spends hours and days working on a video, and puts it up there for free, why the hell should I click on a freakin' ad to give him 0.01 pico-cents of revenue? I'll just blame some "greedy corporation", and ignore the fact that I'm kicking the creator in the teeth. This stuff should be FREE. Just like everything else in this world is free, right? Free training at college, free automobiles, free housing...I'm ENTITLED to free stuff. And moreover, if I then ask the creator for some help, or for a video on a different subject, he should respond right away. For free. And any criticisms I give him come with the territory. Deal with it, dude.

Is youtube changing? Well, I suspect for tech youtubers it is. Because of attitudes like this. I suspect in the not-to-distant future youtube will ultimately devolve into an entertainment-only paid TV/cable channel like all the others. Because sadly, at the end of the day, all people REALLY want is entertainment. Prank videos, cats playing pianos, music videos, neighborhood tours, unboxing videos....

People only want real tech stuff when they need a quick answer to a question from school or work, or help with a hobby. And it has to be less than 4 minutes. Otherwise, learning gives them a headache.   

We love to blame big corporations, but it's not about them. They're doing what their viewers want, because that's what makes money. Just like YOU do what your employer or customers want. That's how you make income. Because virtually nobody does stuff for free in the real world.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2021, 05:02:12 pm »
If those tech youtubers spend hours and days working on a video, all to get my 0.01 from me by clicking on ads, they should find a better job.

The entire youtube can go to Hell and i wil not cry.  World was a better place before youtube.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2021, 05:29:31 pm »
Youtube (and the internet in general) goes down the drain because of two things: censorship and advertisement.

I would like to see disappear all ads and that all websites that use advertisement for revenue go behind a paywall instead.
My way to try to make this happen is to use Firefox with some addons like adblock, privacy badger, canvasblocker and cookie auto delete.  >:D
Fortunately, more and more (news)sites disappear behind paywalls these days. And that's exactly where I want them.
I hope the rest follows.

Normally I don't block the ads on top of this page but that blinking/moving ad from jlpcb is annoying so
I removed it with two mouseclicks. (right-click on it -> ABP block element)
I can't stand flashing/moving banners.


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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2021, 05:34:42 pm »
Yeah, I mainly use Firefox with an extension that removes Youtube ads, so hardly see any.
But I occasionally use Chrome or Opera on mobile devices, and I have noticed many videos are now bombarded with ads compared to what it was even a few months ago. I don't know if there's any way (any extension or such) to avoid ads in Chrome or Opera? Or if there is any Android Youtube viewer that can cut ads?
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2021, 05:40:31 pm »
World was a better place before youtube.

utter nonsense
 
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2021, 06:19:04 pm »
"utter nonsense."

I agree. Hell, 30 years ago I didn't even KNOW what a "prank video" was !!  :-DD

If you look at the Youtube stats, I think it's incredibly clear that the vast majority of the entire planet uses Youtube for two things: Music videos and entertainment. We're talking BILLIONS of people. Just look at the top 50 channels. It's all about music videos and entertainment.

Now, if you consider the availability of music videos and entertainment to anyone with a smartphone an important aspect in improving our society, then yeah, Youtube is saving the world.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2021, 12:14:58 am »
If those tech youtubers spend hours and days working on a video, all to get my 0.01 from me by clicking on ads, they should find a better job.

The entire youtube can go to Hell and i wil not cry.  World was a better place before youtube.
That's a rather nihilistic view. Youtube is what you make of it. It has a lot of garbage in terms of content, sure. But you can actively seek out and subscribe to channels that offer the quality content you like. There is so many good stuff out there, highly educational and creative. Not many platforms offer the same level of variety and amount of content.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2021, 12:44:07 am »
Youtube simply is a platform for content, like many others are. And yes, they have to make money to pay the costs for servers, bandwidth and so on. So I don't blame them for coming up with a business model to get that money- after all, most of the viewers are there out of their free will, aren't they?

The real issue is in front of the screen. And, in front of the screen lies a big misconception: In front of the screen sits not the customer, but the real product that gets marketed...
And this product has an unique property amongst other products: It can decice, where to watch ads...

This means: I don't blame youtube for trying to get some money out of those videos. I only would wish that there would be some more transparent ways of supporting people that do very good videos with what they are doing. Yes, I could use paypal or Patreon or whatever stuff is currently in style, but it sometimes can get time-consuming, and micro-ttransactions really cost a good deal of a cut for the transferring agents that do the money transfer, so a significant part of those small payments will not reach the real content creator.

Also the "free" mindset of lots of people is questionable- I use open source stuff lots of years now, and the mindset there is a bit different- there its like "Free as in free beer"- the people know what an amount of work is behind some program or other stuff and honor it- whether with their time of doing other things for that project or for chipping in some donations to keep things going...
But mostly, lots of people stop thinking about the whole picture of a situation as such, when they don't have to pay money upfront. :-(


 

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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2021, 12:54:51 pm »
Or if there is any Android Youtube viewer that can cut ads?
There are two very good ones: Newpipe and Youtube Vanced.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2021, 02:33:46 am »
I stump up the $2.99 per month - problem solved. Changes the whole YT experience.
What option is $2.99/mo? YouTube premium is about $12/mo in USA and $15/mo here...
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2021, 11:10:53 am »
If they would stop screwing around with the UI and replace it with one that loads fast on browsers other than Chrome I might consider paying for Premium.
 
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« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2021, 08:15:28 pm »
There is so many good stuff out there, highly educational and creative. Not many platforms offer the same level of variety and amount of content.

You realize that people aren't interested in "educational and creative", right? They want video games where they can sit for hours shooting guys' heads off. Or, worse yet, spend hours watching SOMEBODY ELSE play video games. They'll gladly pay a monthly fee for Netflix and HBO subscriptions and not blink an eye. But "educational"? Not even on the radar. Spend 5 seconds watching an ad in a Youtube video so the creator gets 0.1 micro-cents? No freakin' way.

Well, unless the creator has his cat in the background.

By the way, if anyone wants to be amazed, look at the list of those videos that have gone viral to the tune of BILLIONS of views in only a few days. Music and entertainment.

Tech/educational channels often are lucky to get thousands of views in a span of months. Unless it's a 3 minute video showing the latest gaming GPU that just came out and "blows the shorts off" the previous GPU's by 1.3 frames per second. Especially if it has cool LED's and stuff.

That's what people want. 
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« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2021, 08:27:57 pm »
There is so many good stuff out there, highly educational and creative. Not many platforms offer the same level of variety and amount of content.

You realize that people aren't interested in "educational and creative", right? They want video games where they can sit for hours shooting guys' heads off. Or, worse yet, spend hours watching SOMEBODY ELSE play video games. They'll gladly pay a monthly fee for Netflix and HBO subscriptions and not blink an eye. But "educational"? Not even on the radar. Spend 5 seconds watching an ad in a Youtube video so the creator gets 0.1 micro-cents? No freakin' way.

Well, unless the creator has his cat in the background.

By the way, if anyone wants to be amazed, look at the list of those videos that have gone viral to the tune of BILLIONS of views in only a few days. Music and entertainment.

Tech/educational channels often are lucky to get thousands of views in a span of months. Unless it's a 3 minute video showing the latest gaming GPU that just came out and "blows the shorts off" the previous GPU's by 1.3 frames per second. Especially if it has cool LED's and stuff.

That's what people want.

before youtube there was TV with loads of crap and nothing else
with youtube, still lots of crap but also some  technical, educational and creative
 

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« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2021, 08:40:32 pm »
I used to watch a guy who was a really talented software developer. Really good at teaching a software language I wanted to learn. His videos were just that, explaining the language and how it worked. All tech, all educational, writing code.

Then he quit his job and decided to go full time into Youtube. And he decided in order to get decent income he needed to change things drastically. Now instead of how to write code it's videos of him responding to video games, and discussing stuff that is 80% entertainment and only 20% technology and education. Because that's what people want.

Over the years I've seen channel after channel buckle to the desires of their audience for more entertainment and less education and tech. I suspect his next move will be reviewing the latest "ooo, shiny" new hardware like most of the other computer tech channels.

And I'm sure he'll buy a cat. And maybe have his girlfriend join him. And maybe even start doing pranks.

That's what people really want. That's what Youtube is becoming. In fact it's almost there.
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